Talk:Pearl and Hermes Atoll/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ceranthor (talk · contribs) 19:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this in the next few days.  ceran  thor 19:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * "The Pearl and Hermes Atoll (Hawaiian: Holoikauaua)," - why the comma after the Hawaiian?
 * "The Pearl and Hermes Atoll (Hawaiian: Holoikauaua), is part of the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands." - might be worth mentioning the Islands' location as well
 * Link erosion
 * "the Pearl and the Hermes, a pair of English whaleships that wrecked there in 1822" - can "wrecked" really be used as an active verb?


 * Geography
 * "east-southeast of Midway Atoll." - "east-southeast" should have an ENDASH, not a hyphen
 * link Midway Atoll
 * I think the whole section could be consolidated into one paragraph, to be honest; two at most
 * Usually spell out USGS at its first mention, since it's not a super common acronym to the lay reader
 * What's a "fringing reef"?


 * Nomenclature
 * Link Hawaiian monk seal?
 * "The Hawaiian-language name for the atoll, Holoikauaua, was developed " - not sure developed is the best verb here... what about "determined"? any other ideas?


 * History
 * " Pearl's sister ship" - shouldn't all of Pearl's be italicized? Or perhaps just replace with "Its" sister ship
 * "46 of the survivors were rescued by the passing Earl of Morby.[9]" - what happened to the rest? unknown or presumed to have perished? clarify please
 * Paragraph two should be combined with paragraph one.
 * "In 1867, the crew of the Laconda produced the first reliable chart of the reef.[10]" - any more detail on this ship? why was it the first reliable chart? who was on it?
 * "Entrepreneurs from a rabbit canning business intentionally released rabbits on Southeast Island in 1894, where they almost immediately devoured all the island's vegetation.[11]" - almost immediately? who was documenting it? I fear that "almost immediately" is too vague and that a more specific timeline is necessary
 * "In 1930, the United States Bureau of Fisheries decided to make a thorough study of the atoll. - conduct is better than "make" a study
 * "The United States Navy loaned the minesweeper ship" -what's a minesweeper ship? link if possible?
 * "The salvage tug Ono " -what's a salvage tug? link if possible?
 * "significant scarring in the reef." - what does this refer to? scarring seems self-explanatory but may have nuanced differences in this context, which should be explained


 * Flora and fauna
 * "As an example, the noxious Setaria verticillata" - noxious? what does this mean?
 * The first subsection can all be combined into one paragraph
 * "Surveys in 1994 and 2000 had similar results - very vague; do they have exact numbers?
 * "The Pearl and Hermes Atoll supports breeding populations of endangered Hawaiian monk seals " - Hawaiian monk seals can be delinked, since it should be linked at its first mention
 * "In 2016, scientists from the Bishop Museum, working with the NOAA, described a new species of butterflyfish found off the Pearl and Hermes Atoll, at a depth of 180 feet" - should provide a conversion from ft to meters using Convert; also, throughout the article you've used primarily km and converted to miles, so you should do the same here for consistency


 * Conservation efforts
 * "In 2014, a net tangle weighing 11.5 tons was located in the atoll." - conversion?
 * "It was 28 feet long, 7 feet wide, and 16 feet deep, and took three days to dismantle and remove.[25]"
 * Also, same note about starting with km and converting to miles for consistency for both above comments; as well as this bit: "The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency projects that sea level will rise 13–16 inches (33–41 cm) by 2100. Southeast Island is only 3 feet (1 m) above sea level, "


 * Climate
 * "Despite being located at 27°48'N, which is above the Tropic of Cancer, Pearl and Hermes Atoll features a tropical savanna climate (Köppen Aw) with very pleasant year-round temperatures. Rainfall is evenly distributed throughout the year, with only two months being able to be classified as dry season months (May and June)." - this needs a citation


 * References/General
 * No dablinks.
 * Does ref 4 have a page number?
 * References mostly seem reliable.
 * The weatherbase.com link (ref 26) doesn't seem to work.
 * Checks out with the Earwig tool... a few notes though.
 * "one of two recorded Hawaiian nest sites of little terns" - this phrasing is a little too close to the source for my comfort; reword if possible
 * "despite being considered rare in the rest of the Hawaiian archipelago." - this is close to the source as well, rephrase

Good work. Might have a few more comments, but this article is in good shape.  ceran  thor 21:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry about the long delay in responding. I'll be taking a crack at the suggested fixes in the next couple of hours. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:09, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, the "later wrecks and site exploration" section got a bit large, so I split it into (this will surprise you) "later wrecks" and "site exploration" as two separate sections. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 09:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Responses

 * Okay, I've made most the fixes as suggested, with some commentary below:


 * Lead
 * can wrecked" really be used as an active verb? --> I think so, like in "I wrecked my car".


 * Geography
 * "east-southeast of Midway Atoll." - "east-southeast" should have an ENDASH, not a hyphen --> no, it's a name of a direction (see Points of the compass)
 * link Midway Atoll --> it was already linked where it says "behind Midway and Kure"
 * What's a "fringing reef"? --> apparently it's a kind of reef that forms in shallow waters, I linked it and expanded to "the fringing coral reef which surrounds the atoll" to make it a little more clear


 * Nomenclature
 * "The Hawaiian-language name for the atoll, Holoikauaua, was developed " --> I went with "established", but am open to changes


 * History
 * "46 of the survivors were rescued by the passing Earl of Morby.[9]" - what happened to the rest? --> second paragraph stated that the 11 remaining built a little ship and sailed to Hawaii, but I made explicit that 11 were left behind in para 1.
 * "In 1867, the crew of the Laconda produced the first reliable chart of the reef.[10]" - any more detail on this ship? why was it the first reliable chart? who was on it? --> no clue. The oldest source I found about it was written in 1931, and even that just said "it went, it charted, it came home". Zero detail available to me.


 * Conservation efforts
 * "In 2014, a net tangle weighing 11.5 tons was located in the atoll." - conversion? --> what should it be converted to?
 * Also, same note about starting with km and converting to miles for consistency --> I realized it was better for all the measurements to be SI since it's an American location, so I flipped everything to display miles, and added conversions for everything that didn't have one, except tons as noted above


 * Climate
 * this needs a citation --> I clarified that the weather data was from Midway, and added a citation


 * References/General
 * The weatherbase.com link (ref 26) doesn't seem to work. --> works for me, I'm not sure what's not working for you
 * rephrase requests --> I rephrased both slightly. They're both US federal gov't sources, so for what it's worth, copyvio isn't a concern.


 * Thank you for your in-depth assessment. I appreciate the thorough look. While going through and making the suggested fixes, I have also added some information here and there, as well as some photographs. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delayed response. I've been traveling for a few days. I will check these ASAP.  ceran  thor 20:17, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, looking forward to it! &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:38, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed the ton issue and a separate ref format issue. Otherwise, my comments have been fixed. I'll pass this now.  ceran  thor 16:02, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your review, I appreciate it! &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2018 (UTC)