Talk:Pearls Before Swine

Dorothy Parker
(moved from User talk:DropDeadGorgias and User talk:SebastianHelm) I just wrote I'd ask before I reverted someone's well-meant edits, and then I deleted the reference to Dorothy Parker on Pearls Before Swine. If you feel it is noteworthy feel free to reinsert it, but please write on her page what's special about her using it. &mdash; Sebastian 03:39, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
 * The story goes that Dorothy Parker and Clare Booth Luce were entering a building. Both women were famous for their vicious insults; Clare stayed behind and as Dorothy entered the building first, she stated "Age before beauty." Dorothy Parker kept walking in, and immediately retorted "Pearls before swine." The quote is often used to demonstrate Parker's uncommonly quick wit. The quote was originally on the Dorothy Parker article, but it has now been moved to wikiquote here. I'm not really sure it needs to be mentioned in the Pearls Before Swine article, but the quote is quite famous, so I could go either way on it. In either case, that's why it was added to the article, whether or not it should stay is anybody's guess. Cheers, DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:21, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks - this is indeed an interesting abuse of this phrase. I'll put it back! &mdash; Sebastian 04:55, 2005 Mar 22 (UTC)

This is from Matthew 7:6 but I don't know where's the correct place to insert that information into the article. --Teflon Toast (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

This web page refers to Mrs Robert Benchley's biography of her husband and her eye-witness (?) account refers to a "chorus girl" not a writer/diplomat, not Clare Booth Luce/Brokow or person by name Herr Rott (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Casting Pearls
Since the original article is very short and unreferenced, is it fair to include the assertation that their name comes from "Pearls before swine"? All the other bands or songs are actually called "Pearls before swine" and are not just (allegedly) based on the phrase...212.137.27.116 (talk) 14:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Discourse on Holiness or Discourse on Judgementalism
The article states, "Pearls before swine refers to a quotation from at Matthew 7:6 in the discourse on holiness,", but it seems to me that "Pearls before swine refers to a quotation from at Matthew 7:6 in the discourse on judgementalism," is more appropriate because what is holy is the judging, and pearls could refer to judging as well, in the form of criticism (e.g. pearls of wisdom that come from "constructive criticism"). Therefore the thing that should not be put in front of people who cannot appreciate it is judgement and the statement, ",implying that things should not be put in front of people who don't appreciate their value" can be dropped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.42.72 (talk) 22:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

..and to suggest to someone not to call the police on their girlfriend:
...one would say; "do not cast your bacon before the clams" 74.209.54.156 (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Explanation
I think the article should give some, at least, brief explanation of what this means. The wikitionary explanation would do. -Reagle (talk) 21:24, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 12 December 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus for "Pearls Before Swine" and primary redirect as recommended by nom  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Pearls before swine → Pearls before Swine – Pearls before swine in the lowercase needs to be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Matthew 7:6. The disambiguation page should be moved to the proper noun form. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:11, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:DABNAME to match the majority of entries and to allow for the suggested redirect. -- Netoholic @ 03:10, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Pearls before swine → Pearls before Swine, but would support Pearls before swine → Pearls Before Swine. A large majority of the entries listed upon the disambiguation page are titles. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Pearls before swine → Pearls before Swine, but support Pearls before swine → Pearls Before Swine per Roman Spinner. All four articles on WP (comics, band, film, musical) use a capital B, none use lower case. (Neutral as to where pearls before swine points to afterwards.) Station1 (talk) 02:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose change to primary topic for "pearls before swine"; readers may well be searching for the proper name without using the shift key. Support Pearls before swine → Pearls Before Swine as the correct title for the disambiguation page, keeping the redirect pointing there afterwards. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

"Pearls before swine" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Pearls before swine. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 17 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)