Talk:Pearse Doherty

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Language in court

 * You seem to regard the 'non use' of the Irish language in our Courts as a trivial matter. Do you consider that an opinion which differs from yours is therefore slanted? The 'outcome of the case' was not the issue of my article but rather Mr Doherty's preference for English instead of Irish. Perhaps if you care to read the Pobal Report "The Use of Irish in the Courts in the North of Ireland" (http://www.pobal.org/uploads/images/2010%20G%20sa%20Cuirteanna.pdf), you might hold a more informed view! Mr.Doherty would have us believe that he is "a strong supporter of the Irish Language" (http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/14981) yet his linguistic preference for the conduct of this court case, suggests otherwise. Perhaps you can furnish us all with a credible explanation why Mr. Doherty opted for English and not his native tongue. After all in Section 8.(1) of the Official Languages Act 2003 (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/act/pub/0032/sec0008.html#sec8), it clearly states; A person may use either of the official languages in, or in any pleading in or document issuing from, any court. Interestingly, you don't appear to have taken umbrage at a similar contribution which I added to 'Vicipéid na Gaeilge' (http://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaras_%C3%93_Dochartaigh)! (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have taken the decision to reinstate the information regarding Pearse's selection of the English language, given that the person hiding behind the IP address 86.45.102.137 is unable or unwilling to engage in any sort of sensible debate about his reasons for deleting the content of my article.Eog1916 (talk) 22:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed it, it your pov and not supported by the sources provided. The language is not pertinent to the case. Perhaps his legal team didn't speak Irish. Snappy (talk) 19:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I thought that I had addressed your concerns; 1." unsourced trivia with ideological slant." 2."the language Doherty used in his court proceedings is not germane to the outcome." 3."rm pov not supported by sources" Perhaps you might be willing to explain where I am going wrong?Eog1916 (talk) 09:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You have taken disparate source together and written an original paragraph with your point if view in it. This is against so many wikipedia guidelines, namely no original research. Do you have any reliable sources (that is national newspapers etc, not blogs) that mentions this issue with the language of the court? The pobal.org reference deals with Northern Ireland, which is a different jurisdiction. The Official languages act 2003 is simply a link to that act, and I don't see the relevance of linking Dohertys bio. Provide links backing up your claims, otherwise its your original point of view. I did a quick search and couldn't find any sources mentioning the language as a issue in the court case. Snappy (talk) 19:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Hugh Moran Link
Links to the page of a Canadian politician, not an Irish one. Doesn't seem to be the intended subject mentioned in the article. Renglish (talk)
 * I have removed the section, firstly its John Moran not Hugh Moran, secondly he was in the Dublin office when the events took place, so the whole thing is a false allegation, much ado about nothing. Snappy (talk) 21:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Piaras Ó Dochartaigh
OK this appears to be a recurring theme when it comes to Irish language names on articles for Spleodrach, so lets sort it here. A name used for this person on the official website of his party is Piaras Ó Dochartaigh. It is also used on the Oireachtas website and various other places in the media. In the edit, Spleodrach cites Manual of Style/Ireland-related articles saying that "translations don't count", but this isn't simply a name "invented" for this person, it is used across various media forums for him, including his own political party. Undeniably, he is primarily known as Pearse Doherty, so the article should not be moved to a different title, but the fact that he is also known as "Piaras Ó Dochartaigh" should be mentioned in the article. This person is also from the Donegal Gaeltacht, so in this case it is IMO, silly to exclude his native name. Claíomh Solais (talk) 14:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not his name, his name is Pearse Doherty. Piaras Ó Dochartaigh is just a translation. He does not use this name and is not known by this name, unlike say Pádraig Mac Lochlainn. So per WP:IMOS - "An Irish version of a person's English-language name may be given in the first sentence of the lead of an article on that person if it is a well-known, commonly used name for that person. If there is no commonly used Irish version, it is not appropriate or encyclopaedic to "invent" such names, as this constitutes original research. Also, the mere fact that an Irish name appears in certain sources, such as databases, is not sufficient evidence that it is commonly used.", which is exactly what is going on here. Spleodrach (talk) 17:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Scotland
I have again reverted the latest attempt by a persistent IP editor to change this article to either "Glgasow, Scotland, United Kingdom" or "Glasgow, United Kingdom". It's standard to refer to constituent countries for birthplaces, and "Scotland, United Kingdom" is redundant. Why not "Scotland, United Kingdom, Europe"? FDW777 (talk) 15:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)