Talk:Pediment

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How about an image
I think that an image of a Pediment would greatly improve this article, however I'm not familiar with how to insert it. There is an image on "Architecture of Ancient Greece" page that could be used. It is Ac.pediment.jpg

Please improve
Ok! The article needs help. --Mario todte 16:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I think, so it is just a little bit better than before. --Mario todte 17:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I am about to remove a couple of links
(see: Pere Lachaise Cemetery ) and architectural revivals because neither one leads, as far as I can see, to any place that sheds any light on pediments. The architectural revivals idea is a good one (opinion) - only the links goes someplace that does not, as far as I can see, deal with architectural revivals. So if you are attached to these links speak real soon, or fore ever hold your peace [piece?]. Carptrash 02:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Greek Nat Acad link on 1st picture broken hjuk 08:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I just removed or tympanum,
from the beginging of the article and probably some of the tympanum stuff later should go too. The T word is defined, (do we need sources listed here?) as Space between the lintel at the top of a doorway and the arch shape above it. This is not what this article suggests and certainly (opinion) tympanium is not another word for pediment. Carptrash 13:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Will bow to yr knowledge. I don't claim to be an expert. WOuld it be worth visiting the definition on the disambig page or having a short page about the T thing. DO you know what you'd call a decorative panel on the outside of a building that looks like a T thing? hjuk 19:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not claiming to be an expert either, I just have a dictionary. What shape is the panel? And where is it located on the building? What is the building? When was it built?  Until then, I'd call it Fred. Carptrash 21:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply - it's the same triangular shape as the pediment shown in the picture on the Wikipedia pediment article, on the front wall of a late Victorian London building. hjuk 08:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, okay. I have continued delving into the black hole of my ignorance and have discovered that "tympanum" sculpture CAN include the sculpture inside a pediment, but the term is not synonymous with the term pediment. Rather it can refer (and this is definitely meaning #2 ) to the space inside the moldings of a the pediment, so calling that sculpture "tympanum sculpture" is (a new, revised opinion) correct. So, what is the building? I have an Architecture of London book somewhere and am curious. Carptrash 15:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Quite an 'umble building - Grand Parade in Harringay. Check the page; there's a picture of the decoration in question on there. hjuk 22:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the thing. I have an opinion on pretty much everything, and offer them as such.  I would not call the design in the tympanum that you just sent me to a Chimera.  Rather I'd label it a green man face.  We can discuss this more if you like, but that's a start.  Or next step.  Or something. Carptrash 22:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Certaanly looks like a Green Man from the Wiki entry. But I note that the phrase seems only to have been coined in 1939. I wonder what term was used prior to this. Also note that the GM entry is categorised as unreferenced. Doesn't mean it's wrong, but leaves me wishing I had THE architectural guide sitting here next to me. hjuk 06:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I too have been looking for THE architectural guide and have not yet discovered it. However, in my home I'm surrounded by several hundred not-so-perfect other books and just found this quote, that there are four main types of Green Man . . .. the spewing or uttering headwhere leaves or foliage emerge from the mouth . . .. - which is what the one in Harringay is.  I'll see what I can find about the origin of the Green Man, but Harding suggest that it goes back to at least a medieval English poem "Gawain and the Green Knight."  Life.  What a great place to live.  Carptrash 13:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sheridan and Ross contain a chapter in their book called The Green Man, or Jack o' the Green, and suggest that the letter term was an old one.  And so it goes, on and on and on.

I just moved this here
It came from the Pediments of the United States section. These are all pediments from buildings that are already in wikipedia, so they have once already passed the noteworthy test. Examples of what the article is about has to be a good thing, doesn't it? Why just the United States? Well anyone can add others - it could become Pediments of the world, but I'd like to see someone familiar with the peds of France or the UK or Argentina to add those. I know American architecture, so that is what I post. Carptrash (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it would be a mistake to lump the pediments of Northern Ireland in with those of Great Britain, thus separating them from those of the rest of Ireland. Perhaps it would be better to deal with the separate countries of the Uk individually.Leutha (talk) 08:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Globalize
I have added a globalize template on the section "Significant pediments in the United States". Having a list of significant pediments is a good idea, but I don't see why the list should be limited to one country only. 93.107.8.139 (talk) 09:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I just removed this template
from a section called something like Pediments in the United States, so it was not surprising that it deals primarily with American buildings. Also this issue has already been addressed on the Talk Page, in 2009. If someone wants to do the work (instead of suggesting that someone else do it) and internationalize the list, I say, "Go for it." Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 14:38, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the whole "significant pediments in the United States" content. There is no such thing as a "significant pediment" - pediments are just architectural elements within a larger architectural composition; pediments cannot have a fame-related status like tallest spire or widest bridge span. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:37, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * However that can be "Notable pediments", which I am adding back. Carptrash (talk) 22:07, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Really. Don't you realize how silly this content is. Did that famous so-and-so hang themselves from that pediment, and so that is why it is notable? And is that other pediment so utterly huge that it is notable? And is that third one more broken than any other broken pediment in America so that is why it is notable? The buildings that contain these pediments may be notable, the whole architectural ensemble in other words, but that does not make their pediments any more significant that any other pediment, anymore than their other elements, such as roofs or doors or windows are more significant than any other roofs, doors or windows. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Really? Not notable?  Then why is there a whole book written about one of them (Somma, Thomas P., The Apotheosis of Democracy 1908-1916: The Pediment for the House Wing of the United States Capitol, University of Delaware Press, Associated University Presses Inc., Cranbury, NJ, 1995) while many chapters of other books can be found about others.  Gee, some of tham only rate a couple of pages.  But I have learned over the years that when an editor shows up with ownership issues about an article, removes large chunks of it without the courtesy of a discussion on the talk page, that it is better for me to just go away. Cheerio, enjoy the page. Carptrash (talk) 19:11, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Bad faith statements don't get you anywhere, and the ownership issue seem to be from you since you have the attachment to this content. The proper place for content dealing with sculptural features on an important building will be in the article on that building or (as in the one you mentioned) in a stand-alone article if there is sufficient material. This article is about explaining and illustrating pedements as architectural elements; a selective list of pediments on notable buildings or pediments containing notable sculpture, all from just one country, is, I think, out of place. Having it just as a "see also" link (which another editor has now added) is a far better way of using this content. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:01, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Pediment or not?
Okay, I was wondering about one of the features at the doorways of Grand Central Terminal, and somebody suggested it might be a pediment. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:50, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it is a tympanum. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ditto for tympanum. Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * But you said tympanum and pediment are the same??? This Greco-Roman white wash fairy tail has to be uncovered soon... Pseudoscience has been ouroboros for too long now. I'm full up on eating myself... We need to look for reasons not answers. What reason would there be for pediments to exist in every country and just about very town if not every capital city on every historical building and every ancient ruin? If you duck.com the ruins of Jordan you will see a basic relief sculpture that was most likely the template used for the rest of the Pediments across all countries on the Terra Firma. The design is NO DIFFERENT to any other "Greco-Roman" or as I like to say Antediluvian architecture and were all built to withstand the test of time. That may be a key of reason also for the existence of Pediments. Strength in structure. They may serve as an earthquake safe zone just as standing in the door way frame is for modern architecture these days. Speaking of which no one has been able to replicate this architecture for the past 2-3 centuries and anyone that says they built it in the late 1700s or 1800's is just pulling your leg. This architecture is the TRUE definition of the very word (Worth looking up) and every little bit of detail in the design was done for a REASON. Aesthetics were a second thought after the structure was able to power itself (Atmospheric energy) Heat or cool itself (Direct Energy) and be sufficient in design when it came to aqueducts and fresh drinking water supply. Keeping in mind being flood fire and earthquake proof just went without saying, as it was thought of from the start and left uncompromised. Why would you build a shelter that could do only that and not be able to shelter you from the storm when it really matters? I've been told by modern day architects that the reason buildings like that don't get built anymore is because of an ancient concrete recipe that cannot be replicated to this day. And also that the cost involved these days would be too great and that it would not be practical for anyone to build structures like these again; But I say, what's more practical than a beautifully crafted structure that has all its appliances inbuilt while being built like a tank? Need I say more??? Oh yeah right, Pediments... So obtuse isosceles triangle. They are about 90deg to 120deg maybe more but generally you will have the numerological numbers 3 and 9. Equilateral Triangle always 60deg each side numerology 666. And your "Tympanium" is always a perfect 180degs (9). The Antediluvians knew about the numbers 3 6 and 9... So in accordance to satanic mathematics and sacred geometry, the buildings or pediments like we are originally talking about were also completely decked out in Phoenician fashionista pirate sun worship allegory as well as (and I can't believe I haven't said this already) BEING BUILT FOR GIANTS!!! Those Pediments be over some pretty big windows doors and arch ways... I'm just Super Sayin is all... Fix up history please. Thank you. I Love you. X — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.95.194 (talk) 17:29, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Source
Greeks and Romans Broke their Pediments albertis-window.com Ancient Greeks and Romans Broke their Pediments, Monday, November 14th, 2011. Johnbod (talk) 00:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)