Talk:Pedro Almodóvar/Archive 1

COTW
Glad to see this has been chasen as cinema COTW. Much work is definitely needed here. I'd like to see more biographical information, as well as more info on the various themes and motifs explored in Almodovar's films, without editorializing too much, hopefully. I'll try to add some myself and see how it goes. I'm no expert on Almodovar, but definitely a big fan. ThePedanticPrick 21:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Great to see it selected. I almost forgot about it after nominating it a few weeks ago. I am no expert either, but I will try to pitch in in whatever way I can. pamri 16:46, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * We can loosely model the sections on KaDee Strickland, which is a short film bio and current FAC and most likely to be a FA soon. pamri 16:58, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Helpful links

 * Pedro Almodovar: A Bibliography of Materials in the UC Berkeley Library

Pepi, Luci, Bom
There's some confusion arising from the translation of the title of Pepi, Luci, Bom y otras chicas del montón as 'Pepi, Luci, Bom and Other Girls Like Mom'. Though the 'correct' translation is indeed '...and other girls on the heap', the film was certainly released in the US (and possibly in other English-speaking countries) under the '...and Other Girls Like Mom' title, so we do probably need to mention it somewhere. --Ngb?!? 16:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I have reverted the change and added a footnote. Lets include translations in the filmography only when a International english title does not exist, since that is what international audiences & website are familiar with/use. Of course, translations can always be included in the film's article. pamri 16:33, September 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * It's unclear, though, exactly what the IMDB mean by 'international English' -- for instance, the film is available here in the UK simply titled 'Pepi, Luci, Bom', and I've seen it advertised as '...and other girls on the heap' too. --Ngb?!? 16:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Beats me, but I am guessing it is the english title either given by the producers or most used. Anyways, lets stick to either one for the infobox, so as not to clutter it. I personally prefer IMDB's international English title. pamri 02:55, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Picture
I found one picture from a site that is probably under the Public domain, but the caption is in spanish, so I can't confirm it. Yahoo's commons search returns a few results, but I haven't checked all of them. pamri 17:49, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

It's Portuguese, in fact. I'd be nervous about using it despite the fact it says it's public domain: if you look at the user's other contributions on that photo sharing site you'll see a whole bunch of things that are clearly copyrighted (film posters, mostly) but which are claimed to be PD. --Ngb?!? 18:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. :-( periodistadigital has a no. of pics and the site is licensed under CC-by-attribution 2.0, but I am slightly wary, since most of the content is syndicated. I will try to check with them once. pamri 04:34, September 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * Aafter reading through their EULA, the CC does not apply to content sourced from other parties. pamri 04:37, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Template
I created a template footer for all of Almodóvar's films, in case anyone else wants to add it to any new pages you may create - AKeen 22:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Style and organizatin
PA deserves a great page. It seems to me that much of the cinematic work section needs to be rewritten for both stylistic and content reasons. I think we need a solid encyclopedic entry before we start adding our own sweeping generalizations about his work. Claiming that Almodovar "trivializes rape," for example, is a highly controversial assertion. If nothing else, we should start by summarizing the various critical works on Almodovar as opposed to stating our own opinions. I will try to do my part to help with this. Benzocane 04:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * As a native Spanish speaker, I also notice that whoever is describing Almodóvar's contributions to film: a-is a native Spanish speaker also, most probably from Spain himself, and b-is probably quoting some written article about the filmmaker. I also would have to add that this person's English is, from a grammar point of view, just plain atrocious. Nevertheless, I can understand what he is trying to say, or at least the meaning he's trying to convey. To improve the text, however, an extensive rewriting is in order, something that I, for one, have attempted to do in the past, and not without a considerable investment in time and patience (Raphael's article is my attempt, for example, at cleaning up the españolizado English in that article, and yet I still find mistakes every single time I look at it... enough to throw in the towel). My strong suggestion to the contributor is for him to expand on the Spanish version of the article... once it reaches a decent quality there someone will probably translate it into proper English... not me, that's for sure... Demf 06:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Writing Almódovar's article
Rather than try to improve the previous entry I chose the bold move of writing a new Almodóvar article from scratch. In fact, I kept very little from the former entry. It had problems of style, content and information. I think I have made a better effort. I have been a follower of Almódovar films and I hope, people would find it more interesting. For those who want to know more about Almódovar’s cinematographic work, I highly recommend the books I used for this article and that appear in the Bibliography. Miguelemejia 10:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Bonus feature hint
I was watching the special features on an Almodovar DVD and there was an interview with Almodovar and Antonio Banderas, I forget which DVD but I could check. In the interview, Almodovar announces that he will soon work with Banderas again. Does anyone know if more information has come to light on this? Rogwan 23:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Almodovar wanted to cast Antonio Banderas for his next film: La Piel que Habito, but has been announced in Spain that for one reason or another the reunion with Antonio Banderas will have to wait to a later project. Miguelemejia 23:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Sexuality
Is there something I don't get about wikipedia? I added what I thought was significant abour Pedro's bio (that he is recently open about being gay) and it was immediately stricken. Is there some kind of prohibition on discussing sexuality or something? And... why? Are race and gender and other things also out of line?


 * You did not specify your sources. Since this article is a biography of a living person, any unsourced material can and should be deleted. See Biographies of living persons. Lelkesa 13:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Verifiability is not an end in itself. The reason I'm sure the information was removed was because the reverting editor knows nothing about Pedro Almodóvar. People usually insist on sources when the fact in question is suspected to be incorrect. They usually add a tag to it, which produces this: . Even a tag is un-necessary in this case, so I'll re-add the note.--Buenos días 13:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You're wrong. Please don't tell me what editors 'usually' do, as you do not seem to understand Wikipedia's policies. I suggest that you read carefully Biographies of living persons. Lelkesa 15:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No. You're wrong. I've been editing here since 2004, and I would encourage you to read Attribution. Widely-known facts do not need to be cited. You obviously do not know anything at all about Almodóvar, which makes me wonder how you got here.--Buenos días 15:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't care whether you've been editing here since 2004 or not, but I would encourage you to be a bit less arrogant. I don't know if you know Almodóvar better than me (but I doubt it). We all know that he is gay. I don't want to argue. Let's find a reliable source and the problem will be solved. Lelkesa 16:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The sexual orientation of a living person, needs to be substantiated by a source. Given Almodóvar's profile, it should be easy finding a source. Rather than editwar, do some research instead. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC) ... such as this: http://www.time.com/time/europe/hero2005/almodovar.html ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, all, for the clarification. I was the original poster and I didn't cite because I believed that widely known facts required no attribution, or I would have cited Time. For future reference, I'm a bit lost on what the dividing line is here... is it only "controversial" claims or any claim at all? I'm genuinely asking, so please no snarky replies. For instance, do I have to cite that Bill Clinton was a President? Are we doing this for only facts that are less than self-evident? For instance, take a figure for whom their sexuality is a large part of their image. Would I need to make a citation that Dan Savage is gay? (Only picking him because, to my knowledge, his sexuality has never been in dispute.) Thames915 10:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That Bill Clinton was a President does not need a source, since it would be unreasonable to challenge that. Moreover, there are references throughout the article about more specific topics, almost all of which will somewhere mention that Clinton was president.  In the Dan Savage, a citation would not be needed since there are sources throughout the article about Savage's work and how his sexuality plays a role in it.  Since there's discussion about homosexuality in Almodóvar's work but nothing about how his being gay has influenced the work, we need to provide a source stating that Almodóvar is homosexual.  ShadowHalo 19:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

All About My Mother
Somebody removed the information : "All About My Mother has received more awards and honors than any other film in motion picture history" as dubious information. In fact it comes from a reliable source: the book Pedro Almodóvar by professor Marvin D’ Lugo.

All About My Mother many awards include: 1999; People's Choice Award for best European director, 1999; Fipresci Award, grand prize, International Film Critics Federation, best director award, Cannes Film Festival, audience award, European Film Award, People's Choice award, Ft. Lauderdale International Film Festival, and Circle Award for best foreign language film, New York Film Critics, all 1999, Academy Award for best foreign film, Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, Bodil Award for best non-American film, British Academy Award for best non-English language film, British Academy Award David Lean Award for direction, Cesar Award for best foreign film, Chicago Film Critics Association Award for best foreign language film, Cinema Brazil Grand prize for best foreign film, and Palm Springs International Film Festival international filmmaker award. 2000; seven Goya Awards (including best picture and best director), Spanish Film Academy Awards, for All About My Mother, 2001; German Movie Award, 2000, for best foreign language film; Premio Sant Jordi de Cinematografia, 2000; Guldbagge Award, Sweden, 2000, for best foreign language film; honorary doctorate, University of castilla-La Mancha, Spain, 2001; Los Angeles Film Critics Association award for best director, European Film Academy awards for best picture and best director, and European Film Academy award for best screenplay

Miguelemejia 10:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk To Her and Caetano Veloso
Is it worth mentioning Caetano Veloso's appearance in this film? He sings Cuccuruccu Paloma to a small party. Rogwan 20:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ...maybe not here, but on the film's page Rogwan 23:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Penélope Cruz?
They have made several films together, yet she isn't mentioned at all. I find that odd because it used to have a section and picture of them together. The article seems to have been rewritten to exclude any mention of Ms. Cruz. He is still mentioned in her article. Jpcline004 (talk) 23:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)