Talk:Pedro Alonso Niño

Black African descent?
While one source of this claim seems clear, another cited source, the The New International Encyclopædia. New York: Dodd, Mead and Company. 1905. does not support this claim. In addition, there is a paper that investigated the claim and concluded that Nino's nickname of "El Negro" was a transcription error.

Please see Vincent H. deP. Cassidy. (1959). Columbus and "The Negro". The Phylon Quarterly, 20(3), 294-296. doi:10.2307/273057 which is available on JSTOR for a discussion of evidence for Nino's African heritage.

Kidblast (talk) 14:29, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I did find one source that refutes the claim. "Even if Pedro Alonso Niño of the crew of Columbus was not a Negro as has been claimed, there were many Negroes who accompanied other European explorers to the New World" ("From Slavery To Freedom-A History of American Negroes", page 46). Other are a bit vague, "One of the pilots with Christopher Columbus, Pedro Alonso Nino, was, so some historians believe, a colored man." ("Works for Children and Young Adults: Biographies", page 19) I've also found a source saying it was an error in translation. "El Niño" became "El Nigro" in Italian and some thought it said "El Negro". // Liftarn (talk) 12:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Little value
The statement that 'pearls' were exchanged for goods of 'little value' contains some interesting assumptions.

'Little value' to who? What is meant by 'value'? How did the Taino/Carib people regard the pearls? How did they regard the goods for which they exchanged the pearls?

Spain went on to perpetrate various genocides and militaristic occupations in the Americas. What value does this history hold now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.120.196 (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

BS
He was called "el Negro" because he navigated Africa at the orders of Portugal to recruit Black slaves. Ironic, isn't it? He actually looked like this "http://www.periodismosinfronteras.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/PEDRO-ALONSO-NI%C3%91O-RETRATO.jpg". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.113.117.251 (talk) 13:01, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The source used doesn't provide evidence of Niño being Black.
From the article: "According to the folklore, Nino, being one of the captured sailors, sired four famous sailor children namely Pedro Alonso, Francisco, Juan and one other Niño."

To include supposed folklore as fact reveals a low standard. The author isn't a historian. He's a journalist/voice over/MC. He's not exactly an authority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.63.104.29 (talk • contribs) 04:59, August 7, 2021 (UTC)


 * Then replace it with one of the many other sources available that corroborate the claim. Removing the info without further investigation is also of low standard. natemup (talk) 11:52, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * There aren't 'many other sources available' that corroborate the claim. Why would you select a so-called journalist/voice over/MC as a source if you had something better?  Because you don't.  You don't have a legitimate source that supports he was Black or mixed race. 96.242.157.53 (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

== Then replace it with one of the many other sources available that corroborate the claim. Removing the info without further investigation is also of low standard. natemup (talk) 11:52, 7 August 2021 (UTC) ==

There is no authority that supports the claim of Pedro Alonso Niño being Black. Amusingly you claim there are "MANY other sources" but then why do you have to rely on someone who is an MC? The only people that claim Pedro Alonso Nino was Black are some obscure Afrocentrist 'scholars' who also make absurd claims about the Mayans being Black.

There is nothing sadder than making up history because of an inferiority complex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.157.53 (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2021 (UTC)