Talk:Pedro Luiz of Orléans-Braganza

Death?
Should we change this to death? Like it says, the chances of survival are low.  Rgood erm  ote    18:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been cautious about this. If there's a reliable source and/or official agency that confirms that he is considered dead, then we can add it. Until then, I think should be kept as "missing". TN X Man  18:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * From AOL News, linked by the AP: They found wreckage that confirms the plane crashed. http://news.aol.com/article/brazil-confirms-air-france-jet-crashed/505833?cid=12 They didn't find any bodies, but at the depth it must have crashed in, and considering the fact that the debris field's three miles long... --Joshmaul (talk) 21:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Biography
I just wrote a very good biography about the prince in the portuguese Wikipedia. If someone is interested in translating it to English, it would be nice. - --Lecen (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Worksite
Article needs to clarify (with cite) whether Pedro Luis worked in the province of Luxembourg in Belgium, or in his kinsman's grandduchy. Lethiere (talk) 20:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * He was living with the Grand Duke of Luxemburg. --Lecen (talk) 20:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Orléans-Braganza are HRH
The style of Royal Highness (HRH) was granted to all legitimate, male-line descendants of France's kings in 1824, when the Orleans, Conde and Conti branches of the royal dynasty were all extant cadets of the royal line. The style was not restricted at that time to those who retain dynastic rights -- otherwise the Head of the House of Orleans would not have agreed to recognize it for the descendants of HIRH Prince Pedro de Alcantara of Orleans-Braganza and Elisabeth Dobrzensky's non-dynastic marriage in the 1909 Pacte de Famille. Aside from this, both the Almanach de Gotha 1942, page 34 and the Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Furstliche Hauser Bande XII, page 25 document retention by the Orleans-Braganzas of Royal Highness.

But what I have not seen, which has been inserted in this article, is documentation for the right of the late Prince Pedro Luis of Orleans-Braganza (who was neither the Brazilian claimant, the claimant's heir, nor the heir's eldest son) to the title "Prince of Brazil". Is there a dynastic basis and reliable citation for according him this title? Lethiere (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The Brazilian Constitution of 1824 declared that the Emperor's heir should be named "Prince Imperial" and styled "His Imperial Highness". The elder child of the Prince Imperial was to named "Prince of Grand Pará". All the other Brazilian Princes should be named "Prince of Brazil" and styled only "His Highness". - --Lecen (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * As the bandwidth has been exceed on their official site, using the wayback web archive Princes Luis and Bertrand are given the style "Imperial and Royal Highness" while Antonio is given "Royal Highness". - dwc lr (talk) 12:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly. The 1824 Brazilian constitution grants the title of "Prince" to imperial cadets (and it is not clear that this prefix extends beyond the children of the Head of House), not "Prince of Brazil". In some monarchies, it is stated or interpreted that this means "Prince of Country", but in the Spanish and Portuguese monarchies where royalty use surnames and the title of "Infante of Country" was employed instead of "Prince of Country" it is not clear that "Prince of Brazil" is the correct title for cadets. The Almanach and Handbuch never accorded that title to descendants of the Princess Imperial Isabel and Gaston d'Orleans, nor does the official website of the (Vassouras) Imperial House of Brazil refer to Pedro Luis's father, Dom Antonio as Prince of Brazil. So how could his late son have that title?


 * Moreover, the Brazilian constitution did not say that these princes could "only" bear the style of Highness, it simply gave them that style. Cadets of the House of Luxembourg were, as such, Grandducal Highness yet they are now Royal Highness as descendants of Grand Duchess Charlotte's marriage to HRH Prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma. For the same reason, the descendants of HRH Prince Gaston d'Orleans, comte d'Eu may be entitled to the style of Highness through Isabel, but they are entitled to the style of Royal Highness through Gaston -- as is confirmed by the four texts we have now cited. Lethiere (talk) 21:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Duetto, Ibid.
What do they link to. If someone can figure it out add it, if not I am going to remove them.


 * BrHistória, edition 4, Year 1, Duetto, p. 59 (2007) - Duetto is the name ofthe Publisher of th magazine, not of a writer. ---Lecen (talk) 06:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Rating the article
I do believe that the Article itself has become very good and should get a rating. Who does agree with me? - --Lecen (talk) 11:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a start class.  Rgood erm  ote    23:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)