Talk:Pedrolino

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Regarding the notion to mere Pierrot and Pedrolino, I am against it. They're related characters, but not the same. --Sobekneferu 20:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"Pedrolino is the servant of La Signora who is the wife of Pantalone. He is a quiet character who does La Senora's every bidding."

I think this is being too specific to some particular scenario somebody saw. I'm going to take that out.--Sobekneferu 07:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Actually, got an idea. I can maybe include it in a new section about examples of Pedrolino's behavior. Trouble is, I have no idea where this La Signora example came from. Can anyone get a citation?--68.35.94.119 19:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to agree that describing Pedrolino as the servant of a specific character can only be done on a scenario by scenario basis. I joined a commedia dell'arte troupe recently and the last time I played Pedrolino, he was the servant of Orazio, the inamorato.IanThal 03:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The character is absolutely the same. Pierrot was created by the Gelosi troupe, and descended from Pedrolino, created by Giovanni Pellesini. In addition, it is a bull to say that Pierrot was more popular than Pedrolino in UK. The Commedia dell'Arte was created by Italians, and during the Renaissance the name of the character in England was Petter (not Pierrot or Pierre) --Jack 00:58, 21 Gennaio 2007 (UTC) To say "the I Gelosi" is wrong -- it's either 'the Gelosi' or 'I Gelosi.' Otherwise it means 'the the Gelosi.'--76.18.93.72 (talk) 00:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Pierrot and Pedrolino are not the same. The scenarios in Scala's collection present Pedrolino as a daring and cunning (if sometimes stupid) rogue. (Where does the "tear" come from? He is not often good-hearted.)  Pierrot first appeared by name, not among the Gelosi, but among the players of the Comedie-Italienne in Paris in 1673, and he was played (by Giuseppe Giaratone) quite differently from Pedrolino. Pierrot has no daring and little cunning; he courts Columbine as a bashful, stammering fool, quite unlike Pedrolino. True, the characters share the same name and social rank, but there the similarity ends. The scholarship in this article is quite out of date. Why is there no mention of the commedia troupe called Pedrolino, or of Pellisini? Why is K.M. Lea's work ignored, and Storey's books on Pierrot?Robertfranklin (talk) 01:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

New edit
In response to the criticisms above, I have re-edited this page. I have retained most of the original content, where accurate, but I have reorganized it in the interest of coherence and also added considerable detail and historical context (i.e., the section on Pellesini). I have also provided much-needed documentation and in-line references. I have removed the image, since its identification as Pedrolino is only conjectural (and I think erroneous), and supplied an image that is unambiguously explicit. I have also removed the tag about the lack of sources. Beebuk 03:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Removal of "Related figures"
These figures have all been assembled by Duchartre (see the "References" of the article) as members of Pedrolino's "family." The claim is highly dubious. With the possible exception of Peppe Nappa, about whom we know almost nothing, the "related figures" that he assembles bear little relation to Pedrolino. All are "second" zannis, not "first," as Pedrolino obviously is. The figure that bears the closest relation to Pedrolino, paradoxically, is the Harlequin that sloughed off his second-zanni status when he was accommodated to the 17th-century French stage--but that is an argument that needs to be made at some length, not in list-fashion, and doing so would amount to a digression on this page. Beebuk 01:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

additional sources
Hello everyone these are some credible sources that are also extremely helpful for this topic.

1. Chaffee, Judith; Crick, Olly, eds. (2015). The Routledge Companion to Commedia dell'Arte. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-315-75084-2.

2. Henke, Robert (1995). Performance and Literature in the Commedia dell'Arte. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-17238-7.

3. Balme, Christopher; Vescovo, Piermario; Vianello, Daniele, eds. (April 2018). Commedia dell'Arte in Context. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-1-139-23633-1.

4. Grantham, Barry (2001). Playing Commedia: A Training Guide to Commedia Techniques. Heinemann Drama. ISBN 978-0-325-00346-7.

5. Oreglia, Giacomo; Sprinchorn, Evert (January 1968). The Commedia dell'Arte. Hill & Wang. ISBN 978-0-809-00545-1.

Samara.SJ


 * Move this to commedia dell'arte talk. --Beebuk 13:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Summary
An someone completely uninitiated to theatre, who came here looking for a summary of what a "Pedrolino" is, the introduction of this page is kinda... completely useless. It's just a word-vomit of Italian theatre terms and random disjointed trivia. All it needs to be is a summary, with enough plain language for a layman to get a grip onto. "A Pedrolino is a character archetype in Italian theatre. He is something, and his purpose is to do stuff. He originated starting in a century, particularly from the works of some guy. He is important to the history of Italian theatre for reasons. Scholars disagree on him." 2600:8804:8800:A401:8110:22DE:8DB9:7791 (talk) 06:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)