Talk:Pegasus (spyware)

2012 coverage in Hebrew, native speaker needed
The Pegasus software has been covered in this 2012 journal article: יש לנו מאזין על הקו. Could some native speaker please use it to improve this article? --bender235 (talk) 17:18, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

You look like an optimist. I saw a docu of the Canadian Cyberwars series that included Pegasus. 2001:8003:A921:6300:6CCF:E770:8173:6896 (talk) 23:10, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Pegasus in Poland AD 2019
Use Translate https://www.tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/system-pegasus-i-pytania-do-cba-czarno-na-bialym,964972.html Zezen (talk) 07:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)


 * No i did 141.95.53.75 (talk) 08:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

US court case
This article does not mention a court case involving NSO versus WhatsApp, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Cisco and Dell. It seems rather important. See this for a recent Israeli article on it but there must be more information available. Zerotalk 02:40, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

References for new coverage
Just putting them here so they're easy to find for someone to expand the article and other articles of people effected etc


 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/video/2021/jul/19/pegasus-the-spyware-technology-that-threatens-democracy-video
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/18/revealed-murdered-journalist-number-selected-mexico-nso-client-cecilio-pineda-birto
 * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/nso-spyware-used-to-target-family-of-jamal-khashoggi-leaked-data-shows-saudis-pegasus
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/18/viktor-orban-using-nso-spyware-in-assault-on-media-data-suggests
 * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/ft-editor-roula-khalaf-among-180-journalists-targeted-nso-spyware
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/18/huge-data-leak-shatters-lie-innocent-need-not-fear-surveillance
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/18/what-is-pegasus-spyware-and-how-does-it-hack-phones
 * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/revealed-leak-uncovers-global-abuse-of-cyber-surveillance-weapon-nso-group-pegasus
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/19/spyware-leak-suggests-lawyers-and-activists-at-risk-across-globe
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/19/key-modi-rival-rahul-gandhi-among-indian-targets-of-nso-client
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/19/how-does-apple-technology-hold-up-against-nso-spyware
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/19/edward-snowden-calls-spyware-trade-ban-pegasus-revelations
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/19/spyware-leak-suggests-lawyers-and-activists-at-risk-across-globe
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/19/hotel-rwanda-activist-daughter-pegasus-surveillance
 * https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/19/fifty-people-close-mexico-president-amlo-among-potential-targets-nso-clients

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 09:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

New article needed for Pegasus project?
Place your opinion hereSherenk1 (talk) 11:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi can you explain what the distinction is between the project and the software? Thanks, John Cummings (talk) 12:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The section is getting expanded and hence would require an article by itself. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - Went bold and created an article over here: Project Pegasus revelations

Section on detecting Pegasus
Is there any information available on how Pegasus can be detected on a device? Collecting references below (which may be useful for other sections as well)


 * https://www.ft.com/content/4da1117e-756c-11e9-be7d-6d846537acab
 * https://citizenlab.ca/2021/07/amnesty-peer-review/
 * https://themediacoffee.com/heres-how-you-can-tell-if-your-phone-has-pegasus-israeli-spyware-the-quint/

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 15:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Fraud
The article, in its present form, claims that

It was reported that the Indian government used Pegasus to spy on Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan and diplomats from Iran, Afghanistan, China, Nepal and Saudi Arabia.[32]

This is a falsehood, as the cited source states that "The numbers of Imran Khan and several of his ambassadors in India appear on the list as potential targets." The key is "potential". There were never any allegations that Khan's phone was spied upon.

Wikipedia is a fraud. 103.77.137.77 (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2021
In the line "kernel mapping table that has valued all the way back to iOS 7", the word "valued" should be changed to "values"

Look for the phrase "kernel mapping table that has values all the way back to iOS 7" in, which is listed as the source of the line above. Crazyengineer (talk) 15:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ - also confirmed here. • Gene93k (talk) 15:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Copyright infringement considerations
I'm not familiar with the subtle differences of Wikipedia policies between English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. Theoretically speaking: can I create video recording of pegasus running on my phone and deleting eg. seat reservations I already paid for? Thanks in advance. Take care. Cheers! Mugli (talk) 14:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Copyright would not be your main problem. That would be the policy against original research. Zerotalk 12:29, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppoe NSO Group would be the copyright owner of such screen captures. I'm aware of the no original research policy, thank you. Mugli (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

--2001:16B8:AD07:4200:69DA:708C:836A:DD40 (talk) 20:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)== Poland == Poland (PiS government) (ab)uses it too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:ADC5:4D00:15C:3CF5:A072:B03E (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

also Poland

 * Prominent attorney (and ex-politician) Roman Giertych and prosecutor Ewa Wrzosek were "observed": https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114883,27934901,giertych-o-inwigilacji-pegasusem-obawiali-sie-najprawdopodobniej.html#do_w=46&do_v=142&do_st=RS&do_sid=287&do_a=287&s=BoxNewsMT  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:AD78:CF00:FD08:AC49:6502:6CC (talk) 10:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Here have some sources written in English:
 * 83.8.118.230 (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 83.8.118.230 (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 83.8.118.230 (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 83.8.118.230 (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Another case (2019-...)- the Polish senator Krzysztof Brejza (oppositonal "Platforma Obywatelska" party): https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114884,27949663,brejza-wiosna-pytal-sluzby-o-szpiegowanie-teraz-ujawnil-odpowiedz.html#s=amtp_pnHP_related — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:AD07:4200:69DA:708C:836A:DD40 (talk) 20:12, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-middle-east-elections-europe-c16b2b811e482db8fbc0bbc37c00c5ab


 * "Worse than even the 'Watergate scandal' in the USA" (27.12.2021): https://next.gazeta.pl/next/7,151003,27951703,podatek-katastralny-jest-odpowiedz-rzadu-analizujemy-problem.html#s=amtp_pnHP_related
 * Already added, using pl.wiki materials and recent discoveries. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Supreme Audit Office "NIK" (= Najwyższa Izba Kontroli) most likely also concerned/affected (ca. 6.000 times !): https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114884,28076708,to-moze-byc-polskie-watergate-czy-rzad-uzyl-pegasusa-do-masowej.html#do_w=46&do_v=142&do_st=RS&do_sid=288&do_a=288&s=BoxNewsImg3  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:AD43:3D00:3D02:896E:E17:84BA (talk) 15:04, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

RfC on redefining the scope of Pegasus (spyware) and Project Pegasus (investigation) articles
Should all content related to the usage of Pegasus spyware on specific individuals/groups be moved to Project Pegasus (investigation), with a possible change of name of that article given inclusion of information from non-participating media outlets, while reserving the Pegasus (spyware) article for the technical description of the software (history of creation, exploits, method of functioning etc.)? Szmenderowiecki (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Notified WikiProject Espionage, WikiProject Computer Security and WikiProject Software


 * Yes. as proposer. The content in "Use of spyware" essentially duplicates content from the "Regions and targets" section from the Project Pegasus article. Besides, outlets not participating in Project Pegasus are still making revelations about Pegasus, as is the case with the recent scandal in Poland (I'm not aware of any of the outlets participating in the project, and Gazeta Wyborcza has published a lot lately), and their inclusion in that article as it stands now would not be warranted because the Project Pegasus article artificially restricts the scope to Project Pegasus outlets. We may retain some information about the project itself, but what is much more notable is not the fact the outlets united themselves to uncover Pegasus secrets but rather the results of their work, as published in investigations. Therefore, as proposed, this article should refer to the technical aspects of the software while the other article should list all government meddling incidents and reactions, regardless of whether uncovered by Project Pegasus or by other outlets. PS. I am seeking comments because I don't want to make the changes myself without consulting others first. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes - I agree that it is better to not have duplicated content. I also support the change of name for Project Pegasus (investigation) to be more open to all usage as proposer suggests. Also suggest a disambiguation note at the top of THIS article to point the reader to that article, since many will be looking for that article and might find it by this name.  Thank you to those who have built and maintained both of these articles!! --- Avatar317 (talk) 02:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes - There seems to be quite a bit of overlap among the two articles. Keeping the article about the software itself short and to the point, with an obvious link to the investigation page is the best solution. PraiseVivec (talk) 15:38, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, although a single summary paragraph with the ol main article template would be a good call. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, but also including a section in Pegasus (spyware) with a summary of Project Pegasus (investigation), as well as a paragraph in the lede. MarioGom (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Ayman Nour
https://marsad-egypt.info/en/2021/12/16/pegasus-egypts-ayman-nour-had-phone-hacked-by-israeli-and-european-spyware/ PS2801 (talk) 17:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC) ==Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 18 § Category:People targeted by Pegasus spyware== You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 18 § Category:People targeted by Pegasus spyware. Venkat TL (talk) 16:15, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

also Thailand
The citizen lab had discovered espionage campaign against at least 30 individuals Thai activist. They also forensically confirmed that victims were infected with NSO Group's Pegaus spyware. Additional information related topic of Thailand information operation circumstances may shed light to the readers out there. For more information please refer to citizenlab's report link as following;

https://citizenlab.ca/2022/07/geckospy-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailands-pro-democracy-movement/

Konrawit13 (talk) 05:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

What is Lookout?
Lookout is mentioned several times in the article, with no link or definition. What exactly is Lookout? Julesd (talk) 13:40, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * If you look at the references, Lookout is listed as the author with company using the website https://lookout.com. It appears to be a computer security provider Crazyengineer (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)