Talk:Pehr Kalm

Kalm a Finn, or a Swede, or what?
the whole thing about Kalm's national identity has no place in his article. It could equally well be repeated in every single biography of a Swedish-speaking person living and working in Finland before 1809 (and many after that time as well, if the issue is limited to language). Accordingly, it doesn't belong here, but in a more general article on the history of Finland or Finnish identity or something like that. / up+land 18:59, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * You are of course right so far, that this issue is in no way specifically connected to Kalm. I'm not sure what can be done about it, but I feel not yet convinced that it would be a good idea to remove the references to the controversy.


 * You may also want to see Finland's language strife, that I just wrote based on other additions by the same contributor. I am not particularly knowledgeable, relying chiefly on Matti Klinge and some general background knowledge of things Finnish, and guess that my attempt can be much improved &mdash; and possibly moved somewhere else?
 * --Ruhrjung 22:31, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

"This doesn't in any way change the fact that Kalm worked all his life in Finland"

On the other hand, he also lived and worked whole his life in Sweden because Finland was just a part of Sweden.

That is, he lived and worked in Finland. Would you refer to someone working i Tartu, Estonia during the swedish reign as a Swede?


 * So Immanuel Kant was Russian? Aaker 23:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also this "pietari kalm" thing does not even seem to be that widespread in Finland. For isntance the reference article that is cited fro mTiede does not use the name pietari kalm but rather Pehr Kalm. I think is just someone who is a bit too eager to take the finlandization of names to wider lengths than jut the kings. Gillis 14:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Ruhrjung's edits
I have no position with regard to the squabbles over ethnicity, etc., but note that the changes that I have reverted are a straightforard matter of English grammar and vocabulary. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 19:05, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was about to restore your corrections too, but You are faster than I am. --Ruhrjung 19:30, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably not faster &mdash; just more obsessive about checking my watchlist... Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 19:42, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

From Finland?
In the Swedish verision of Wikipedia it is said that he was born in Ångermanland which still belongs to Sweden.


 * There is a Finnish nationalist occasionally editing this and other articles to make people more Finnish than they actually were. A few days ago Jacob De la Gardie was given the fine Finnish name of Jaakko. up+land 21:53, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

And Swedish nationalist claim Nordenskiöld and other significant people born i Finland as Swedes... Kalm was the son of Finns and was as you can see born in exile. Hes hould be referred to as a Finnish-swede.

"Exile"? Is it hard to understand that Finland and Sweden was the same country at the time? Aaker 23:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Being in exile does not limit to being exiled from your home country. But i agree with you (im not the original anon poster). It's regrettably for some (both in todays sweden and finland) painstakingly hard to understand that Sweden and Finland was the same country. Gillis 14:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

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