Talk:Pekingese/Archive 1

History
Please correct the name "TrikiWoo" as mentioned in the text into "Tricki-Woo" (see the original James Herriot books for correct spelling). The Pekingese came to Britain due to a high army official smuggling two Pekingeses out of China and intop Britain when the British troops retreated. The were given to the then Souvereign who started the breed in Britain. It took decades before a Pekingese came to the mainland of Europe. This is a breed of dogs who are loving, kind, faithful to death and who have the courage of a lion. They will take on any dog, no matter the size, and not utter a sound when fighting (this is from,personal experience with five Pekingeses over a period of 35 years), but they are stubborn as mules and regard their owner as their servant (as royals will do).
 * above message is from User:80.60.192.181
 * I'm not an expert of James Herriot, I suggest that you make the change - that is what wiki is all about - you can edit it yourself!
 * The first Pekes in England are mentioned in the history paragraph. They wern't smuggled - they were stolen. I am unaware of Victoria's Looty having any pups.  If you have a reference, then feel free to add the information.  As for them being stubborn, it depends on how they regard you.  If they regard you are the Emperor or the Emperess then they will instantly obey your command.  If they are seated on a chair when you enter a room, they will immediately vacate it.  On the other hand, if they regard you as a servant ...  ... ClemMcGann 14:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

In 1860, the English took five Pekingese from China. At that time, how many were then left in China? If none, then do all existing ones come down from those five, through England? If some were left in China, then do all the current ones in the West come down from just the five, or have the lines gotten mixed back together, or what?-69.87.201.203 01:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

"Back in Peking, the plot thickened. Hien Feng died in 1862, ... the 6-year-old T'ung Chih became the next emperor. The former slave girl Ye-ho-na-la, now known as Dowager Empress T'su Hsi, had maneuvered herself into control of one of the world's most powerful countries.

On the minus side, T'su Hsi was cruel, ruthless, ... On the plus side, she loved her Pekingese. But even this affection had its ulterior motives. With only a tenuous link to the royal lineage, the Dowager Empress sought to identify herself with Buddha. In fact, she actively encouraged the nickname "Old Buddha." The Pekingese, a living symbol of Buddha, served her purpose in identifying her with the god.

In England the royal connection and exotic appearance of the Pekingese, as the dog was dubbed there, made it a status symbol for the social elite - and those who wanted to be. In America, too, the lion dog was becoming the rage, especially as it became more available. In the late 1800s, T'su Hsi presented a number of her cherished Pekingese to Americans, including Miss Alice Roosevelt, daughter of President Theodore Roosevelt, and to J. P. Morgan, a dominant financier and philanthropist. With the Chinese monarchy collapsing - no thanks to the machinations of T'su Hsi - more and more Pekingese became available in the Chinese market. Many were exported from China by American and European traders, eager to capitalize on the Pekingese's booming popularity.

The Pekingese Club of America was formed in April 1909 under the sponsorship of J.P. Morgan, who was named its honorary president. Two years later, 95 dogs entered that first club-sponsored show at the ballroom of the Plaza Hotel, which would continue to be its venue for many years. As they say in society, the Pekingese had arrived."

"With the Empress Dowager's death in 1911, the long reign of the Pekingese in China came to an end. Rather than let the little dogs fall into unworthy hands, the court officials killed the great majority of them; the few that escaped disappeared into private homes, leaving no trace.

But the breed was now firmly established in the west, so it was not lost. In 1921 there began the curious paradox of returning breeding stock to China. But again these were lost during the Communist Revolution. Thus, to the original looting of the Palace and carrying away a few of these little dogs we owe the survival of our wonderful Pekingese breed."  -69.87.201.203 01:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
I'm now going to offend everyone, but it must be said. None of the peeks in the new photos are up to the standard of the old b&w. ClemMcGann 19:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I could get some of my would you like them? Arnon Chaffin  ( Talk ) 14:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The images in the article are fine as they stand. We have historical images showing the evolution of the breed, examples of different coat colors, as well as different coat types. No more images are necessary. VanTucky 19:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Ventura Pekingese Club
Hello,

Would it be possible to link to the article on Pekingese, our url is http://www.pekingeseclub.co.uk.

Thanks Dratsum 18:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Sarah Maycock Vice Chairman Ventura Pekingese Club (UK)

Allergies
Does anyone know if Pekeingese's are Hypo-allergenic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenfapper (talk • contribs) 05:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No they are not. Technically speaking, no dog is completely hypoallergenic. Some breeds just shed so little hair/dander that they are effectively so. Van Tucky  talk 05:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Wording of this article
Anyone else notice the creepiness of the wording? Especially down in the 'temperament' section. I understand that whoever contributed was likely a fan of the breed and thus had the reason to care, but look at it. Tell me that section isn't creepy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.161.20 (talk) 18:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by 'creepy'. But this section is wrong an inappropriate.  Peeks are dogs, In my experience, they will come when called, they don't bite, etc etc - as with any dog it depends on how they are trained - intentionally or not - If any dog is permitted to consider itself superior to its owner then you will see jealousy, biting, etc.  Such owners are culpable. If there is no other comment then I intend to delete much of this rubbish - its dangerous rubbish ClemMcGann (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * "'The Pekingese personality has been compared to a cat, although this isn't quite right. It simply doesn't realize that it is a dog and would not like to be treated as such.'"Though amusing, this statement, as well as many others in that section (the only section I read, didn't read the whole article), is pure bullshit :] "has been compared to a cat" weasel talk, and the rest suggests that dogs generally hold their dogliness in high regard - all dogs except for Pekingese, that is. An encyclopaedia cannot claim that dogs see themselves as dogs unless it can point to research that proves that dogs are self-aware to such an extent that they realise their dog form. Authors also cannot write in a tone that suggests that they spent the afternoon chatting with said doggie and can now voice doggie's opinions and intangible character properties. DrSlony (talk) 01:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed ClemMcGann (talk) 03:23, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Unverifiable history
I removed the section about Ludvic von Schulmuth as it was uncited and I cannot find any reliable reference. Does anyone know who he was, when he worked, and whether or not his investigations have any scientific credence today?--Hafwyn (talk) 23:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Dog or breed article?
"The breed originated in China in antiquity, in the city of Peking most likely from Asian wolves". It is the fact that all dogs are the product of wolf domestication. What other animal might this breed originate? The breed demonstrates several traits of various stages of domestication, not the initial of course. There are various theories on the place and time of wolf domestication, but this sentence sounds strange. Then, it is written that the breed did not change within the year. Do you really think this way? The facts of out-crosses were proved. --Zara-arush (talk) 21:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * and i though that they were half-lion half monkey. Seriously though, you make a valid point.  let's agree to remove the 'wolf' sentence ClemMcGann (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I found a good small article with no sources and little material - Chinese Imperial Dog. I think the club do worthy job to preserve the gene pool, and it is worth to improve the article. Can you be helpful, I just started to study dogs and have too little knowledge about toy dogs at this moment? I wrote the President of the Club, but I am not sure they will reply. BW, --Zara-arush (talk) 02:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC) PS: Don't you know about "tazza" with the engravings of about 100 animals, dated as of Han Dynasty? 800 years is to long for specifying the date of origin ("Chinese Pottery of the Han Dynasty," Laufer, p. 251). If I notice something else in the article, I will write again here. Thanks in advance, --Zara-arush (talk) 02:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Dogs are not my field, other than owning peeks, so I probably cannot help, although I could try to pass any questions on to John Key of ClemMcGann (talk) 15:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I hope, I was also helpful. --Zara-arush (talk) 20:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * yes - ta very ClemMcGann (talk) 22:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

China
Being as this is a Chinese breed that is 2000 years old, there is remarkably little information about it in its home, virtually all the information is about 20th century owners in the West, mostly the UK. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 05:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

One thing that has not been mentioned in this article is that they were originally 250lb War Dogs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.14.152 (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * because wikipedia considers itself an encyclopedia. - ClemMcGann (talk) 16:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Famous
this section really needs cites. I intend to remove those without references Lugnad (talk) 11:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added two cites and removed that last entry. Please do not add entries without a reference.  Please add references to those lacking them - or delete them Lugnad (talk) 00:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

A close-up of the side of a pekingese face
with all due respects, its a nice doggie, but its not a peek. too much nose; lacks black mask; ears too short; hair too short. I don't want to offend someone's lovely pet. But I propose deleting the picture - any reactions? - ClemMcGann (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I would confirm. It's cute but I don't think it accurately displays the breed ideal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuoBia (talk • contribs) 04:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Photos
Some of the peeks in recent photos are not the best; they wouldn't do well in any show. Teeth should not be seen. The captions are misleading. Peeks are no more likely to dominate, sleep etc than any other breed. I am inclined to suggest that unless the dog in the photo has some standing, they should be deleted. Lugnad (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, how is a dog in a beret relevant to the article? Seriously? I understand that people want their pets on these articles but they could at least take photos that are useful to the article. Miyagawa   (talk)  08:53, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Lead photo too dark
On many screens, the lead photo is pretty dark. It would help if the dog were a lighter color, or if the background was. It's a dark dog with dark eyes on a dark background. I tried to use it in class today but no one could see it on the projected screen.

Second, it's got one of these show-Peke haircuts that make it harder to see the body of the dog than the cut that other Pekes have. My neighbor has a Peke and you can see where his neck ends and shoulders begin, and you can see that he does, in fact, have legs. An ideal picture of a Peke would be in profile, with a shorter cut, with a Chinese palace as the background. 192.235.16.2 (talk) 21:49, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

If someone doesn't, I will.
The noted stupidity of this breed needs to be mentioned somewhere, you can compare it to cats all you want, but it's really just not all that smart. It's last place ranking on "The Intelligence of Dogs" must be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.97.108 (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I consider them to be most sensible. Before you post, please ensure your cites are impeccable, otherwise I will revert ClemMcGann (talk) 22:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The Peke is the most intelligent dog that I have owned. Both knew every word uttered within a week. Within three weeks they knew what I was spelling. They knew time, how? Thats debatable! When 8:00 came, both of mine ran for the door, got there own lease and brought it to me. They were ready for their walk. 5:00 A.M. came and they were gently nudging me to get out of bed. When the last one died, she barked at me at 4:45 in the morning. I told her to lay down a few minutes and I would get up. Being that this was not normal, I should have listened. She calmly went to the living room, lay down and passed. Stupid? I don't think so! You have to own a Peke in order to write about one! moecody2001 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.59.116 (talk) 12:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)