Talk:Pembroke, Pembrokeshire

A work in progress
My idea is to flesh out the pembrock entry with local history. I refer to records held by the National Library of Wales, CADW, and the Diocese of St Davids.This is very much a work in progress, any contributions welcome, my tecnical knolage is low so please repar any bad links and bad formating. --Iancampbell 11:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good to see someone working on the article. Can I ask you use inline citations, so people can check your facts. These are pretty simple to do, just put the following after the sentence which needs to be referenced. You need to make sure there's a gap between the website address and website title, and that there are no gaps between the brackets and the text (unlike I've done below).

[ http://www.websiteaddress.com Website Title ]< /ref > Please also reference non-website sources, titles,authors and page numbers of books etc. using the above format (but without the website address) Alexj2002 22:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Layout
It looks good. Well done to the person who placed my photo of the main street at the top. ;) Wikiwisher 12:16, 11 January 2007 (GMT)

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Requested move 16 November 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved for a variety of reasons, but clearly there is a consensus against this proposal. Jenks24 (talk) 07:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Pembroke, Pembrokeshire → Pembroke, Wales – This is analogous to Lincoln, as described in WP:UKPLACE, even though it is not explicitly spelled out for Wales. Same logic applies - "Pembrokeshire" is not that useful as a disambiguator, "Wales" is much more helpful. And Pembroke is unique within Wales. Nilfanion (talk) 11:48, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose move. I'm not sure that Pembroke, Wales is any better than Pembroke, Pembrokeshire and in fact I prefer the latter, as List of places in Pembrokeshire has many examples of appending the county to places similarly named elsewhere. For me, it should go further - if Pembroke in Pembrokeshire is the origin of most (if not all) of the places around the world using the name, then the article should just be called Pembroke, with a link to the disambiguation page noted at its head.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  12:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Pembroke is exceptional within Pembrokeshire - as using "Pembrokeshire" is nearly a tautology and if you do not know where Pembroke is, its not reasonable to expect "Pembrokeshire" to clarify its location. In contrast. "Wales" at least tells you it is in Wales - which is much more recognisable.
 * The Welsh Pembroke is far from the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and "coming first" is not a reason for declaring it such, especially when Pembroke, Ontario receives more traffic.--Nilfanion (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Points taken. I've read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and can see that my argument is not one that would hold sway, so I'll leave it there.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  12:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose – Pembroke is in Pembrokeshire. There is no need to append the region "Wales" when "Pembrokeshire" is appended. The present form is perfectly normally. RGloucester  — ☎ 14:18, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose What matters is that when presented with a list of alternatives it is easy to find the one wanted. Pembroke, Pembrokeshire is clearly distinguished in the disambiguation page being listed under United Kingdom and with Wales being mentioned. Leave well alone please. SovalValtos (talk) 14:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Pembrokeshire is an adequate disambiguator for Newport, Pembrokeshire, Camrose, Pembrokeshire, Burton, Pembrokeshire, etc so see no reason why not for Pembroke, Pembrokeshire. Zarcadia (talk) 17:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


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Broadband notability
If the material has been sufficiently notable to be included, my opinion is that it should be retained, with appropriate changes in wording and tenses. That is unless it is considered to be given undue weight.SovalValtos (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2019 (UTC)


 * and - I guess leave it for now, and I'll see if I can find some more recent info.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  00:25, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Might this better be covered at County level, perhaps in a communications section? There should be plenty of material: Abermawr cable, stagecoach, semaphore telegraph, sea Signal station, telephone etc.SovalValtos (talk) 09:16, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with both of you. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Possible public services section
I am considering the addition of an optional Public services section, partly inspired by the work of User:Alnitak3 on other articles. Other than the obvious water, sewerage, gas, electricity, fire and ambulance the current broadband content could be included. Alnitak3 has had to buy hard copies of books to source electricity history. I am not in a position to do that though I think the history of electricity and gas-works etc would be just as important as the modern water supply etc. Do any other users have access to a large library for such?SovalValtos (talk) 10:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)