Talk:Penalty kick (association football)

Run up to a penalty kick
Hi, I just want to inform you, of the new changes in law 14 from the International Football Association Board for this !!

Sometimes you see the kicker changing speed ( and occasionally direction) or swaying with his body ( to indicate where he will kick) during the run up - sometimes almost stopping, and then speeding up - and occasionally the kicker stops, when he reaches the ball, and waits a second before he kicks - hoping that the goalie will jump to one side, and then kicks to the other side. The above is called

1) feigning during run, and 2) feigning when you reach the ball.

Since june 1.st 2010, it is LEGAL to feign during the run - but feigning when you reach the ball is ILLEGAL - which means , that you have to kick immediately , when you reach the ball.

http://www.proreferee.com/article/4189

http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Question/23331/

understandable science (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi - the word is "feinting", not "feigning". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.73.93.117 (talk) 06:14, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Changes
Hello again,

Thank you to whoever contributed to this page - there was soem great information!

I have made major changes to the text, to:


 * Give more technically information regarding the kick (rather than the often incorrect popular understanding of it);
 * Remove information specific to certain types of game (eg games as 90mins; whilst this is correct for most adult matches it is not so for all games);
 * Remove incorrect info regarding the kicker "stuttering" etc (whilst this may constitute unsporting behaviour in a caution (yellow card) sense, there is no mention of it being prohibited in the Laws.
 * Clarify the difference between kicks from the penalty mark (ie shootout) and penalty kicks.

Cheers! --DaveB 00:55, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

New name?
I think it would be a good idea to rename this page Penalty Kick (Football), as it would thereby be consistent with other related pages (eg Referee (Football), Offside law (football)). --DaveB 00:07, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Merge?
I do not think the proposed merge with Kicks from the penalty mark should be performed, as the two articles cover similar but subtly different aspects of the game - one the act performed in normal play, the other as a tiebreaker. As the procedure for each is different, with different rules governing them, a single merged article would only be confusing, IMHO. I have edited each article, moving the clarification about the difference to the top of the page, to make the distinction more clear. Qwghlm 19:44, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I agree they should not be merged: see my comments on the disputed-merge page. --Daveb 18:00, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Since no-one has leapt to the defence of the proposed merge, I have removed the merge notices. Qwghlm 00:00, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

Strategy
Added a portion on strategy. I thought it was useful to note the difficulties involved for the goalie and to emphasize that most PKs result in goals. Some additional information from the shooter's side would be useful here. Pimlottc 00:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

All goalies follow the same rule, because all players necesarily do the same, players look at the place they are going to try to shoot the ball at the time they place the ball on the ground. If they dont look trying to trick the keeper, they will shoot to the center or out. Strategies off shooters try to evoid this, Panenka shot, "paradiña" (full stop off run-off), hard strait shot ( even if the goal keeper dives correctly he wont have time to reach the ball), inside foot shot ( slow launch but on the opisite direction off fist look),passing to a partner, and even backwords ( with out looking at the goalkeeper at the time off kick). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elloza (talk • contribs) 08:55, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Questionable statement
This sentence: Goalkeepers are usually not expected to save these kicks, but goalkeepers such as Pepe Reina, Oliver Kahn, Ricardo, Brad Friedel, Artur Boruc, Jens Lehmann, Edwin van der Sar and Mark Schwarzer are noted for their penalty-saving capabilities

needs wiping, having no statistical basis whatsoever. It's just amateurish. Any members of the Ass of Football Stat'ans available?

88.110.16.179 (talk) 10:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger
For the discussion on the proposed merger please see here

Lucy-marie (talk) 00:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Taker stopping during the run-up
I thought this was illegal, under the rules, but there is no mention of it in the article. I am sure it used to be. Perhaps someone could look into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.213.252.3 (talk) 13:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Not true, there are players that dont even run-up at all. And many others launch the penalty kick using the "Paradiña" they stop completle before shooting, this last form is extremely comon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elloza (talk • contribs) 08:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Most penalties in a game
Does anyone know what the record is most penalties in a game a. in normal (90 minutes time) and b. in a penalty shoot out. IIRC there was a match inthe 1970s involving Ipswich which had 8 penalties given but Google hasn't been much use. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

"See also" section
I think it would be useful if there was a "See also" section linking to other "kicks" and football laws.symbolt (talk) 07:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Paradinha
I recently came across this term for stuttering before kicking the ball. It is illegal but the word seems common enough. It might be worth mentioning here or on its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.254.175.5 (talk) 07:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Confusing statements in Procedure Section
"Sometimes, however, the ball will rebound from the saving keeper or the woodwork;" gives the connotation that a goal can be scored from rebounding from the woodwork but this is denied in the following statement, "Thus the kicker may play the ball a second time (possibly scoring a goal) if the ball rebounds off the keeper; but not if the ball rebounds directly off the posts without having touched the keeper or any other player." I am not sure as to the correct rule but there is a discrepancy.183.78.60.173 (talk) 12:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I have addressed that problem in the the update I just did. DudsBro (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

The above problem is still extant in the "Infringements" section, to wit "if the ball rebounds from the goal frame or goalkeeper and such an incident occurs, it is dealt with as in normal play." is not correct as it's not the exact same situation as for normal play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.73.93.117 (talk) 06:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Ball becomes defective
Dear Sir: Laws of the game also do regard to situationes if the ball becomes defective. Do an expert know how to handle? In the past there, in the most part, it was an unluck for kick takers, because the kick was forfeit. The intention in the latest laws of the game is to repeat the kick but I would like to ask: Is there always to decide a repait, or are there other decisions possible (f.e. the ball will rebound from the saving goalkeeper to the kick-taker or a team mate of the kick-taker)? Thank you for your answer! --213.225.5.125 (talk) 11:28, 27 November 2016 (UTC).

Requested move 1 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: move to Penalty kick (association football). Clear consensus that Penalty kick should be a disambiguation page. (non-admin closure) Bradv  04:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Penalty kick → Penalty kick (football) – This page should be moved, and penalty kick (disambiguation) moved here. Not sure if the football (soccer) version of penalty kick is the priority topic. Natg 19 (talk) 23:10, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Penalty kick could mean such a kick in any one of a number of sports and so the DAB should reside there. The football type is probably the most frequent use of the term but does not meet WP:COMMONNAME. Perhaps Penalty kick (association football) might be a better place for the article to reside, though? --MrStoofer (talk) 11:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The position should be the same as for penalty shoot-outs. Penalty shoot-out is a DAB page and then there is a separate page for Penalty shoot-out (association football). --MrStoofer (talk) 11:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

*Oppose. The penalty kick in association football/soccer is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Zarcadia (talk) 07:27, 3 December 2016 (UTC) In hindsight I accept it's probably not. Zarcadia (talk) 13:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and MrStoofer. Dicklyon (talk) 06:29, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * With the greatest of respect, it just isn't. Penalty kicks are used in rugby (both codes) and are referred to as such in a vast number of reliable sources. Football/soccer obviously gets more coverage than rugby, but not enough to swamp rugby and make football penalties the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --MrStoofer (talk) 11:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Support. In fact, I would go so far as to create a WP:DABCONCEPT article that provides a general overview of a "penalty kick", or maybe merge it to the similar concept of "penalty shot". Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:25, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support move to penalty kick (association football) as suggested above by User:MrStoofer, noting that the article at football covers all codes. The idea that this should be the primary topic certainly has its supporters, just as does the idea that football should always mean soccer (or whatever else their favourite and/or local code happens to be). But we take a global perspective. Andrewa (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


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Possible throw-in after goalkeeper's save
The table (a wonderful one, by the way) now says that Deflected out of bounds by goalkeeper => Corner kick if no rules are broken. However, if the goalkeeper deflects the ball across the side line, the result is a throw-in rather than a corner. Could that be reflected in the table, in an intelligent way? Fomalhaut76 (talk) 14:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Summary -- "position of the goal keeper"
I have deleted an unsourced and incorrect statement in the "Summary" table that the goal keeper could move up to 6 yards off their line between 1937-2010. It has long been the rule that goalkeepers have had to remain on their line until the ball is kicked -- all that has changed over the years is the degree to which they could move around on their line during the kicker's run-up. I have seen this table being quoted on social media so it should be right and properly sourced (or deleted). MrStoofer (talk) 09:49, 26 May 2022 (UTC)