Talk:Penan people

Does anyone know what Penan means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.230.18 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 15 May 2006

POV
This is one of the most point of view articles I have ever read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.159.8.2 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 4 July 2006 llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Agreed. If I find the time I will take it upon myself to introduce the ideas presented by J. Peter Brosius in his 1997 article "Endangered Forest, Endangered People: Environmentalist Representations of Indigenous Knowledge" which outlines how Western environmentalist activists have latched on to and misrepresented the "molong" concept among other aspects of Penan culture in order to further their own agendas (Brosius published the original descriptions of molong and much of Penan culture in general). 74.12.204.114 22:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Zhankfor, 2 December 2007

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Linguistic interest
I removed this claim:


 * The Penan language is linguistically interesting since it has six words for varying levels of "we" depending on how extensive the described group in the society is at the same time as having no word to say "thank you" or describe the status of a domestic animal. This provides a good example in discussion of the subject–object problem in philosophy and its relation to language and power.

Not only is the claim not given a source, but discussion about words which a language has or doesn't have and what this "proves" is a sticky subject. (For example, English has gendered words for uncle/aunt, son/daughter, brother/sister, mother/father, nephew/niece, but not for cousin - does that mean anything?)

For that matter, it's interesting that the example given as a missing word was not even one word in English! So it doesn't say whether Penan also uses a multi-word phrase like English's "thank you".

And especially claims that something is "a good example" should be sourced so that it doesn't look like original research or synthesis. --pne (talk) 13:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

If you would like linguistic information on this topic from someone who actually speaks a little Penan (Eastern Penan, upper Tutoh dialect), I am happy to provide it, along with sources. OP is correct in that the language contains 6 words for both "we" and "they". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.154.85 (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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