Talk:Pendulum (drum and bass band)

"Fucking awesome"
As much as I'm tempted to agree that Pendulum at download were "fucking awesome", surely "well received" would be a more wikipedia-friendly way of putting it? :-)

"...Generally well recived in the minds of the public" would be a more polite way of saying it! XD J (talk) 21:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Forget that, I saw them live in concert at southamtpton and swindon this year (2010) and they were fkin immense on both occasions, the only downfall is i will have to wait another year before they are back again!! marlski-j

Jungle Sound Gold
From the mouth of Rob from Pendulum:

RE: 'JUNGLESOUND GOLD'

just gotta clear this up:

a) We had no prior knowledge of the release of this CD. The first we heard of it was on discussion forums linking it to the product being sold in shops. b) We mixed the CD back in mid-2004 - therefore the mix, as well as our tracks included on the second disc, do not reflect the Pendulum sound of today (for better or worse, thats up to you ;]) c) We never intended nor agreed to release 'Masochist VIP' - I did it in about 30 minutes as something special to play out at a show. It was only given to Fresh and Adam F in low quality mp3 format for them to play out as DJ's - not to be released. d) We didn't approve and in fact strongly disapprove of the 'Junglesound Gold' artwork, especially in relation to our name being unfairly used as an advertisement - plainly an attempt to link 'Junglesound Gold' to the recent success of 'Hold Your Colour'.

As a result of the above, we do not endorse 'Junglesound Gold' at all.

- Pendulum.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jungle-Sound-Gold-Pendulum/dp/B000EHR82C —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.161.181 (talk) 17:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Added to the page!RyansGoodEditing (talk) 22:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There's actually a thing about this on the Dogs on Acid controversy section, strange how there was nothing about something so big on Pendulum related wiki articles until today. 128.120.102.20 (talk) 00:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Twilight Zone
There's no mention of the twilight zone here... despite the band often quoting the show. The intro to Slam is a quote of a rod serling introduction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.11.217.118 (talk) 02:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Bad Link
When I click the link "Fan base forum" it brings me to one of those sites that you get when you accidentally type the wrong url that pretend to be search engines. Could this be fixed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.108.26 (talk) 22:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Two Pendulums
Just to make a clarification; there are actually two Australian electronic music groups named Pendulum. One was a Melburnian group that operated around the mid-90s and released 3 Knocks, and the other is the currently more well-known trio from Perth. discogs.com notes the two groups and their differing catalogues - is it feasible to make this more apparent in this article?

Criticism?
Can you really say "Critics of Pendulum dislike their glossy and futuristic sound, claiming it is cheesy drum and bass." Sounds like one person's opinion to me... - It's true -- some do say it is a cheesy sort of dnb, but that criticism emanates more from people that have been involved with the dnb scene for many years and are a bit shocked/disappointed at the popularity it has gained in just a couple years -- meaning it is becoming a popular style of music.--DragonFly31 16:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC) - If you can provide a link for that then that would be useful, otherwise it just sounds like one person's opinion. Peter - From all the reviews and opinions ive heard from various people who have been in the drum and bass scene for a while and those who haven't it's generaly been a 'you either love it or you hate it' scenario. As DragonFly pointed out, many long time DnB listeners have got understandebly defensive over the much more accesible style that Pendulum use. I think it was right to remove the comment from the article though as it is more of an opinion based thing than a unanimous feeling. Plenty of old school DnB listeners enjoy them too. MrSnrub

- I think the comment should be REPOSTED back into the article, it is a general understanding in the drum and bass community, that Pendulum are “sell outs” and they have watered down the sound of drum and bass to make it more accessible to both non dance music affiliate’s (this is considered a terrible thing by many people in the community) and also for a more MTV / Video Hits style fan base.

It should also be mentioned that both Elhornet (Paul) and Swire (Rob) both are frequent users of the “Teknoscape” forum online in Perth, Western Australia.

Elhornet frequently comes under fire for his egotistical, sarcastic and generally unfortunate attitude to his fan base and finds himself constantly being reminded of the fact that he concurs zero musical contribution to the band (he is a glorified DJ). The fact of this zero contribution needs to be addressed in this article or it is incomplete. Do something about it.

Why has this fact not been brought up in this article???

Why is it that the Teknoscape entry on wikipedia mentions Elhornet and it is not further mentioned in this directly related article? Inlocal 03:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

- "I think the comment should be REPOSTED back into the article, it is a general understanding in the drum and bass community, that Pendulum are “sell outs” and they have watered down the sound of drum and bass to make it more accessible to both non dance music affiliate’s (this is considered a terrible thing by many people in the community) and also for a more MTV / Video Hits style fan base."

No, it is not a "general understanding", it's nothing more than an opinion and should not be included in the article. Many people who consider themselves part of the D'n'B community do not feel this way and since the article needs to be kept within Wikipedia's NPOV guidelines it will not be included. - Why was the criciticsm given by Goldie blanked? Goldie is a huge icon in Drum & Bass, the genre that most people associate Pendulum with, and where Pendulum got its start. RyansGoodEditing (talk) 02:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Your prick. Why do you need to add criticism to the best band ever? Oh, and the last good Goldie album released was like 15 year ago, so I'm guessing he's a bit jealous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.213.84 (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should add more for a more complete view? How about you help me out? RyansGoodEditing (talk) 02:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have to why dont you add criticism from reviews instead of making it look like pure bashing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.213.84 (talk) 02:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * i think it's good to have a criticism section, but, yeah, put enough in there. if it's stil up i'll try to add some if i can. Darktonyhawk (talk) 10:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Criticism is definitely important. Please don't blank it out cause you don't like it! However, I agree that it does need to be fleshed out, possibly from more popular Drum & Bass figures? But I'm not naming names, I'm not sure exactly who has.BillyGoatzgRUFF (talk) 17:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed "Criticism" to "Controversy", added more material.RyansGoodEditing (talk) 22:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

The following line added "This is a common criticisim of the material from In Silico by the "Hardcore" Pendulum fans" needs supporting documentation, otherwise it's a generalized and unsupported opinion that does not belong in this article. Please remember to follow Wikipedia's NPOV guidelines and that this is an encyclopedia for factual statements. If you can find a reputable source that shows the overwhelming number of fans share this opinion, it will remain. Otherwise, it should be removed. Dabiosa (talk) 19:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Pendulum have 2 albums?
As far as i know, the Jungle Sound Gold, isn't their own album, but like Junglesound vol. 2, (which i have added) is just work from other artists mixed by Pendulum

First D'n'B album on CD
Part of the reason why Pendulum got critism is because Hold Your Colour was the first drumnbass album that was released on both vinyl and CD. That apparently made them sell-outs. I hate elitests. Anyway, can that be mention? D.Hall 12:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Part of the reason why Pendulum got critism is because Hold Your Colour was the first drumnbass album that was released on both vinyl and CD


 * With all due respect... What on earth are you talking about? :) Just a handful of the artist albums I have on CD that predate Hold Your Colour (by up to a decade!): Goldie-Timeless, Reprazent-New Forms, Breakbeat Era-Ultra Obscene, Teebee-Blacksciencelabs and Through the Eyes of a Scorpion, Ed Rush and Optical-The Creeps, Grooverider-Mysteries of Funk, London Elektricity-Pull the Plug, Omni Trio-Byte Size Life, the list goes on and on and on... Stevekeiretsu 00:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The OP is an obvious dumbass--71.109.13.235 (talk) 05:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Pendulum Live
Just to clarify, what year did Pendulum begin doing live performances? Because if it was 2006, their second live performance was at Warwick University. If it wasn't 2006, then this needs to be fixed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.205.75.82 (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC).


 * As far as i know pendulum have being doing live DJ performances for a while now, they are after all, 3 DJs. It's their live performances as a band actually playing their music that began 2006. I believe was in London, can someone confirm? As far as i know the Warwick Uni performance, was like the Coventry Dogma performance (im from coventry and was at dogma, it rocked!) in that it is was a DJ event.

lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.204.49.252 (talk) 18:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Pendulum Origin
Origin doesnt mean were they currently reside, Perth is perth. Keep it that way. 211.31.87.78 01:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * it is spelt where —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.45.7 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 8 April 2007

Painkiller single
I'm wondering if the listing of the single "Painkiller" should be changed to show as "Freestylers featuring Pendulum" rather than the other way around. The current order implies it is a Pendulum single but as far as I can find it is a Freestylers song and appears on their album. HuggaBounce 12:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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Style?
Deleted Style Rock and added Style Breakbeat: Although they make classical rock-conzerts this is in my opinion not enough to add a rock-style. The link added to Electronica Style also mentiones only various D'n'B categories. Instead pendulum has some slower songs like Granite or the Voodoo People-Remix that is classical Breakbeat like Chemical Brothers.--Scrandy (talk) 10:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Granite is actually 174 bpm, making it their fastest song. (clyde brosloski) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.157.232 (talk) 16:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Both songs you list, Scrandy, are D'n'B; being far too high tempo to be classed as Breakbeat. Pendulum are not breakbeat artists and have not released a breakbeat track into the mainstream. I am removing the breakbeat genre from the box. Feel free to add it again if you source it. 81.140.73.249 (talk) 19:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

genres
i think that the style of dance-punk should be added —Preceding unsigned comment added by D1alley (talk • contribs) 20:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Australian band - half the band is British
I'm not sure they can truly be considered an Australian band nowadays - they've lived in London during every release and half the band are born and raised in Britain.

I suggest "Anglo-Australian" band —Preceding unsigned comment added by London prophet (talk • contribs) 12:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Anglo-Australian is a good suggestion, but the problem is that describes aussies with British or Irish Ancestry, actual people. So i think we should stick to Australian-British for now. --Tukogbani (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Australian british is correct here. We may have trouble keeping this up here though - the same goes for AC/DC, and they're still listed as Australian.

3/6 Aussie 2/6 British and 1/6 USA actually...


 * Every Pendulum page (singles, discography) says 'blah blah is the blah by australian band pendulum'. Can more of an emphasis be made to the fact they are based in London. Do all their producing in London. They made it big through playing the London club scene. They release all their singles in the UK first, tour the UK, etc etc etc. Colt .55 (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Motorstorm
Is this group the one that sings in the videogame "Motorstorm Pacific Rift", for PS3? 83.44.111.3 (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

PAul Harding
is he not a member anymore...i notice he;s not touring with them/in any photos

KPS-4.12.09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.203.26 (talk) 15:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Paul never does live tours. He does DJ sets with Verse, Jakes and (recently) I.D., all whom are MCs. Gareth and Rob (though Rob does b2b) also do DJ sets as well as live sets. He's still a member, just not a live one. 121.222.29.182 (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Perth
Isn't perth in wales? or, is there one in Australia as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Don't look back in anger (talk • contribs) 21:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Perth is the capital city of Western Australia 121.91.52.178 (talk) 04:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

So who did the big hit on Triple J "Coma"? Melbourne based "Pendulum" or Perth based "Pendulum"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bushy555 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Melbourne based Pendulum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.89.156 (talk) 08:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Confusion about writing credits
on the wiki page for slam and still grey it credits Rob gareth and paul for writing,yet this differs to the HYC booklet.any ideas why this is?

KS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.110.17 (talk) 12:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Photo
Any reason for the new photo? The other one was a good quality and it was a more recent one. Skullbird11 (talk) 20:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about the Immersion one, it was deleted in Commons. So the image was change. HrZ (talk) 14:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Genre edit war
I have had it with this genre edit war that is going on. Any more of it and I am going to request a page protecton. Can we please reach a consensus on the genre of Pendulum?

My view is that Pendulum are Drum and Bass and Electronica. I don't feel that they are in any way like Electronic Rock of Alt. rock or even Industrial as one edit seems to think. Skullbird11 (talk) 21:17, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course they are drum and bass, They are pioneers of the genre. Who is trying to say otherwise?? Colt .55 (talk) 00:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Putting Knife Party into a separate Wiki Page
I think it would be a good idea to put Knife Party on a separate page and list all their songs on there. Just having a short summary on the Pendulum page and linking to the Knife Party page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacobKay (talk • contribs) 15:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

None of the band members are British, nor did the band originate in Britain
Why would the band (a musical group formation) be considered half British just because they "relocated" to the UK? There are many bands/singers or actors and actresses that "relocate" to a different setting (i.e; Kylie Minogue and Gabriella Cilmi to the UK, Tina Arena to France, Hugh Jackman and Nicole Kidman to the U.S, ect) but their origin comes first. Must we now amend all of their articles due to this? Entertainers should be expected to travel around the world, it's what they do.

It is also very common for many bands and entertainers of Australian origin to travel to other parts of the world for a lucky break. People move all the time - a sea change should not change your origin, it's as simple as that.

This is especially true due to the fact that we are describing a band, and not a particular individual.

Thus, I conclude that since the band had formed and began their music in Australia under the band name Pendulum, they should be considered an Australian band until further sources suggest otherwise. Jas315 (talk) 18:38, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Excellente Qualite
Excellente Qualite

1 	Alterior Motive 	1:16 2 	Another Planet VIP 	6:43 3 	Aphid 	               4:17 4 	Back To You 	       6:33 5 	Coma 	               6:45 6 	Everything's Blue 	7:02 7 	Minds Eye 	       7:03 8 	Moving Forward (Phetsta Remix) 	8:29 9 	Parameter 	       4:47 10 	Spiral 	               6:29 11 	Still Grey 	       8:02 12 	Toxic Shock 	       8:02 13 	Trail Of Sevens 	6:28 14 	Vault - proper 	       5:24 15 	Voyager 	       5:41  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.49.101.194 (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Is really necesary...
To have a source referencing that they're from Australia? I'mean, it's something that all their fans surely knows. Why don't remove it? Nicrorus (talk) 02:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You never remove sources, no matter how trivial and common the info is. This helps prevent any future edit wars in the article! HrZ (talk) 17:01, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Disbanded or not
seems like Mr. Swire really doesn't give a clear announcement about it. "No further live shows, no album for 2013" is not enough IMO. The german wikipediaa already announce Pendulum were disbanded in 2012, i've reverted. So, buddies, let me know what's the real deal. Still existing or not? --Saviour1981 (talk) 23:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

From the way I'm reading it, Pendulum is still around, but is simply not performing, kinda like what's happening with Nine Inch Nails/Trent Reznor/How to Destroy Angels. Charwinger21 (talk) 17:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's more of an "indefinite hiatus" as Innerpartysystem described their situation. The group's not split up but it won't be definitely making more music soon. --DJUnBalanced (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 24 November 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time. Please feel free to initiate move requests of the "Oasis"-related pages as necessary. However, although Oasis (band) is not in compliance with guidelines, I expect that discussion would support retaining the current titles there as well. Dekimasu よ! 19:55, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Pendulum (drum and bass band) → Pendulum (band) – To summarise: If Oasis (band) has its name when Oasis (1980s band) and Oasis (American band) exist, the same should apply to Pendulum.

As luck would have it, the other band named Pendulum, Pendulum (ambient band), is also Australian and also make electronic music. So neither of those can be used as disambiguators. If the disambigiuator was suitable such as one of the above mentioned, I probably would not have started this RM. However, the paranthesis (drum and bass band) is very long, and even members of the band have shown distaste for the band being limited to the drum and bass genre (not in direct mention of this article). Also, the English Wikipedia is for all English speakers, some (if not many) of which may be unaware of what "drum and bass" is.

This is why I looked into the other band named Pendulum, and was surprised at how brief its article is. However, they are definitely notable. They won an ARIA award in 1997, and achieved a chart position for their album in Australia. Although... That appears to be it. That band is not known by many in vast contrast to the drum and bass band, which has all three of their studio albums certified platinum, almost all of their singles have charted, and the band has been the foundation of a solo career and other acts with articles. The band being the first Google search result of "pendulum", let alone "pendulum band" suggests that they are significant, and that their history belittles the achievements of Pendulum (ambient band).

|Pendulum_(ambient_band) The pageviews analysis would imply that the ambient band isn't highly searched for, with the drum and bass band averaging at approx 17,000 more views per month on average, against the ambient's few hundred views. This would make them the primary topic here, even if there is no such thing as a primary topic for a disambiguator; but if Oasis (band) has its name when Oasis (1980s band) and Oasis (American band) exist, the same should apply to Pendulum.

Note: this article was located at Pendulum (band) until 2016. Of course, a hatnote would have to be added if the article is moved. I doubt I will get a lot of support for this, but please give this RM a chance.  Lazz _R  17:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per WP:PRECISE the proposed title is a WP:PDAB which currently redirects to Pendulum (disambiguation), a compromise would be to re-target the redirect here. I agree per WP:IAR/WP:COMMONSENSE PDAB redirects may be acceptable but PDAB titles aren't. WP:PTOPIC specifies only terms can have primary topics.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair points. As a random question, what would you propose Oasis (band) should be titled, following these rules?  Lazz _R  21:57, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes I would suggest Oasis should completely disambiguated to (presumably with UK or British) but since Talk:Nirvana (band) was closed as not moved (although Thriller (Michael Jackson album) and Madonna (Madonna album) were kept) we should probably wait for this to finish first.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 22:15, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per standard titling practice. The Oasis misexample is a local consensus opposing the normal rules. Move Oasis to Oasis (English band). In ictu oculi (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


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