Talk:Penectomy

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I am somewhat dubious about the section on penis removal and psychology. This perhaps needs some citations or maybe needs to be deleted. 71.113.96.139 (talk) 04:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Most of the newly added stuff doesn't belong here. A penectomy is a surgical procedure. It is not the same as violent removal of a penis. - Nunh-huh 22:33, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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I had a penectomy (medical reason) years ago. Since there are pictures of the regular sexual organs I wanted to ask if a picture would be appreaceated here or if it would be too offensive. --92.224.128.0 (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2011 (UTC) (tim)


 * I think the picture is ok/not offensive. I don't see a reason why it should not be here. Any other opinions? --85.179.209.86 (talk) 12:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, ladies we know about oral sex
We know. Yes, we should be going down on you more. However, this article is about penectomies, and seems word for word more about how lonely the clitoris is. It will be removed shortly. ViniTheHat (talk) 14:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

→ I agree. This is ridiculous and outrageous, downright degrading. This is an article about the removal of a penis, its causes and results. Not about how a man without a penis should go down on his -very important- partner. Hello! If those opinions are not removed, then I guess we should speak about the very important role of fellatio in the article about removal of the clitoris? 76.69.176.209 (talk) 07:33, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I had a (partial) penectomy for medical reasons and I dont think this part of the article belongs here. I am aware of course that there are ways to stimulate the partner. And everyone knows that they can stumulate the clitoris or use dildo or something... I see no reason to keep it here. This isnt a guide for men with a penectomy. But this is not the only strange part in this article. For example: Why are the the headlines "Sex and Intimacy Following a Partial Penectomy" and "Sex and Intimacy Following Partial Surgical Removal of the Penis"??? This is the same thing. And the answers may be right for me but for others they are not. I am sure there are men with a partial penectomy who cant have an erection. Better delete this whole part. --Tim nu (talk) 06:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I just removed it --Tim nu (talk) 06:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

copypasta
The text under "Sex and Intimacy Following a Partial Penectomy" is just copypasta from "http://www.sexhealthmatters.org/did-you-know/sex-after-penectomy". I am not sure if that's OK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.113.8.36 (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Difference between penis removal/penectomy and associated links
Going by the difference that is made between removal of all or part of the penis for medical or personal reasons, and torture of a male person by removing his penis, I think that the link to the film: 22 Female Kottayam, should be made on the penis removal page rather than this page. According to the linked wiki, it's a revenge thriller film, where the penis that is removed is removed under distinctly non-consensual circumstances.

The other two links there are on medical procedures related to the penis, that are I think topical connections to this page.

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Circumcision is penectomy
My edit pointing out that circumcision is a type of penectomy not just on rare occasions in the paragraph mentioning the case of David Reimer has been reversed on the basis that circumcision is not referred by sources as penectomy. The reason for not referring to it as such is cultural bias and wikipedia values truth. Penectomy as any "ectomy" is defined as the partial or complete excision/removal of a bodypart, in this case the penis. It is undeniable that the prepuce is part of the penis and thus its surgical removal is by definition a penectomy and referring to circumcision and penectomy as two different entities as in the paragraph mentioned is clearly inconsistant with the truth and misleads readers to the belief that the prepuce is an inconsequential part, or not part at all, of the penis. Maintaining the present text is picking sides with cutting cultural bias and against scientific rigour. This is not about sources but consistency in terminology. Tyreric (talk) 14:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia values truth. But actually Wikipedia values verifiability, a related concept, but one that relies upon what the sources say. If the mainstream secondary sources describe it this way, it goes in. If they don't, it stays out. See our policy on WP:OR. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out this is not about sources but relies on simple logic. The prepuce is part of the penis and part of the penis being excised/removed is a penectomy by definition. Mainstream secondary sources describe the prepuce as part of the penis and penectomy as excision/removal of part of the penis. I suggest a compromise where it is mentioned that it is not usual to refer to it as a penectomy but with the euphenism circumcision, a type of surgical incision. As it stands now the implication is that the prepuce is not part of the penis, which violates verifiability as no mainstream secondary source describes the prepuce as not being part of the penis. In the Wiki page on the human penis the prepuce is specifically listed as a part of the penis without a source as it is obviously verifiable. This is a serious issue as there is a widespread misconception that the prepuce is not part of the penis even among medical professionals eg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n6pGl1ERTPQ Tyreric (talk) 13:42, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out this is not about sources but relies on simple logic - so it is WP:OR. That. I am afraid, is the end of the matter. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sirfurboy is correct, your approach here is fundamentally incompatible with how Wikipedia is written. MrOllie (talk) 13:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)