Talk:Pennsylvania Railroad/Archive 1

Page listing named PRR trains has been created.

Names were obtained from list at http://monon.home.insightbb.com/mpages/pn.html

List is of named trains from most American railroads and the major cities where they operated.

Everything that became part of the PRR

 * Baltimore, Chesapeake and Atlantic Railway
 * Barnegat Railroad
 * Calumet Western Railway
 * Camden and Amboy Railroad
 * Camden and Atlantic Railroad
 * Cherry Tree and Dixonville Railroad
 * Cincinnati, Lebanon and Northern Railway
 * Cleveland, Akron and Columbus Railway
 * Cumberland Valley Railroad
 * Grand Rapids and Indiana Railway
 * Long Island Rail Road
 * Maryland, Delaware and Virginia Railway
 * Monongahela Railroad
 * New York, Philadelphia and Norfolk Railroad
 * Northern Central Railway
 * Pemberton and Hightstown Railroad
 * Philadelphia and Beach Haven Railroad
 * Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington Railroad
 * Pittsburgh, Chartiers and Youghiogheny Railway
 * Rosslyn Connecting Railroad
 * The State Road of Public Works
 * Toledo, Peoria and Western Railway
 * Tylerdale Connecting Railroad
 * Vandalia Railroad
 * Waynesburg and Washington Railroad
 * Washington Terminal Company
 * West Jersey and Seashore Railroad
 * Wheeling Terminal Railway
 * Winfield Railroad

PRR license plates
I've seen a couple of these on the road, but now we've got an image of one:



Perhaps a few words could be added to the article to describe the plate and what the extra money for the plate goes toward? slambo 20:11, July 22, 2005 (UTC)


 * The image was deleted on January 29 2006, for a lack of source info. Perhaps someone can get a photo of a PRR license plate? Slambo (Speak)  15:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Low grade freight lines
The following low grade or other freight lines are mentioned in the PRR Chronology or otherwise known:


 * New York - Philadelphia - Harrisburg
 * Passaic and Harsimus Branch: Jersey City to Newark
 * Pennsylvania and Newark Railroad: east of Newark or Colonia to Morrisville (not built)
 * Trenton Cut-Off: Morrisville - Glen Loch
 * Philadelphia and Thorndale Branch: Glen Loch to Thorndale
 * Atglen and Susquehanna Branch and Enola Branch: Atglen to Wago Junction and beyond to Marysville (York Haven and Rowenna Railroad) PRR had charter rights in any county its main line passed through; YH&R was necessary to build in York County.


 * Darby Creek Low Grade Line: 56th Street/Overbrook to Glen Loch, branch via Hog Island to Greenwich Yard (not built)
 * Paoli to Thorndale part of Darby Creek Low Grade? not built AFAIK. Will check notes from Hagley visit


 * Harrisburg - Pittsburgh - Ohio
 * improving grades to Petersburg
 * Petersburg Branch: Petersburg to Hollidaysburg
 * New Portage Branch: Hollidaysburg to Gallitzin
 * Millwood to Latrobe
 * Derry to Donohoe
 * Derry to Radebaugh (not built)
 * West Rochester to Kenwood
 * Kenwood Junction - Rock Point - Wampum Junction (Pittsburgh-New Castle)


 * Conemaugh Line: Bolivar to Pittsburgh


 * Driftwood to Red Bank
 * Pennsylvania Western Railway: Red Bank to Lawrence Junction and Enon or New Castle (Western Allegheny Railroad) (not completed)


 * Pittsburgh to Cleveland via Youngstown (including Youngstown and Ravenna Railroad)


 * Niles to Warren?
 * Mount Union to Ryde
 * Bentonville Cutoff: Bentonville to Dublin Junction
 * Friendswood Hill on Vincennes Branch (minor)
 * Fairhope to Bayard
 * Griffth to Adenmoor (minor)
 * Ben Davis to Almeda
 * Charlotteville to Philadelphia, IN (minor)
 * Greenville to New Madison (minor)

Italicized comments are from Choess. --NE2 07:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

GA Re-Review and In-line citations
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Possible copyvio - Electrification section
Is it just me or does the entire Electrification section read like something lifted from a book published in the 1940s or 1950s? Referencing image numbers for images that are not included here and noting that equipment first placed in service in 1910 is still in operation on LIRR both throw up red flags for me. Googling for key phrases doesn't come up with anything productive. Looking at the page history, the section was added on Dec 22 by who has had many messages about copyright issues on images he uploaded. Slambo (Speak) 17:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking at some of the intermediate revisions on Dec 22, it seems like the original text came out of some kind of Optical Character Recognition software, and needed to be cleaned up. I know I have seen the labeled catenary photograph in old textbooks before. Perhaps The Pennsylvania Railroad: A Pictorial History by Edwin P. Alexander? Is Mr. Alexander even still living to give his consent to put this photograph in the public domain? Atomsmith 21:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The OCR seems likely, I hadn't thought of that. I don't know if the author's still around.  Either way, it's looking more like the section needs to be removed, or at the very least updated to reflect the period between the book's publication and today. Slambo (Speak)  18:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I did a major rewrite of this section using alternate sources and links. Hopefully, this will be ok Shinerunner 01:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Review
This article is currently under Good Article Review. LuciferMorgan 00:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Renominated for Good Article
Shinerunner 02:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

GA quick delist
I have delisted this as a GA nominee. I noticed that one of the main concerns in the GA review was a lack of inline citations; as it stands, the article still has no inline citations. There are a few jumplinks (like this) which could and should be converted to inline citations, but beyond this the article definitely needs to have its references keyed to specific passages in the text in order to pass. Chubbles 18:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Steam Locomotives section
In copyediting this section, I had trouble with "The Belpaire firebox design traded a more difficult construction to one that had a greater heating surface and simpler firebox staying." What does this mean? -Milkbreath 20:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your assesment, the wikilink to Belpaire firebox in the previous sentence would lead the reader to a better explanation of the firebox design. I've removed the sentence, if there is some other suggestion, it can be restored. Shinerunner 22:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

PRR Major Passenger Stations section
Monkeying with pictures is not my forte. The station names don't line up right, and they never will if it's left to me. -Milkbreath 21:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I play around and moved the photos. They seem to line up better Shinerunner 23:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

PRR History
The PRR was a massive company during its time. It seems that most of the history deals with the PRR Eastern U.S. service. Should there be expanded information about the rest of the PRR's history or should another page be started? Shinerunner 23:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination failed
I have failed the GA nomination for the following reason(s):
 * Inadequte sourcing especially in the first have of the article.

-- Hirohisat Kiwi 02:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)