Talk:Penrhyn Castle

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 20:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

National Trust pilot
Hello! During late June, July and some of August, I'm working on a paid project sponsored by the National Trust to review and enhance coverage of NT sites. You can find the pilot edits here, as well as a statement and contact details for the National Trust. I am leaving this message when I make a first edit to a page; please do get in touch if you have any concerns. Lajmmoore (talk) 15:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Slavery and slate-mining content
In response to this discussion on my talk page, I've been signposted by the pilot manager to two NT articles, which might be useful to expand sections of the article: I'm not sure there is capacity in this pilot, but I hope the sources are useful for other editors. Lajmmoore (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1. Penrhyn Castle and the Great Penrhyn Quarry Strike, 1900-03
 * 2. Penrhyn Castle and the transatlantic slave trade
 * 3. The NT Interim Report on Colonialism and the properties it owns
 * This is also a useful source. KJP1 (talk) 09:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * 4. What a World exhibition KJP1 (talk) 07:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 5. Culture wars KJP1 (talk) 07:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 6. George Hay Dawkins Pennant - Legacies of Slavery database
 * 7. more culture wars
 * 8. Simon Jenkins
 * 9. Corinne Fowler
 * 10. HE report
 * 11. HE Audit
 * 12. check with RN

Expansion
I’m undertaking a bit of an expansion to the article. Not yet sure as to the extent of this, but I intend to cover the links to colonialism and historic slavery, and its recent appearances in the ongoing culture wars, as well as a more traditional focus on the building’s history and architecture. I appreciate that aspects of this may be somewhat controversial and will, of course, be pleased to discuss any aspect of the expansion here. KJP1 (talk) 12:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good approach. The later reception of a place and its associated history is certainly relevant, though sometimes harder to navigate. Richard Nevell (talk) 12:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * - much appreciate the interest. I know it's not a real castle, but it is a very good example of a fake one! And you're right - its history, wound up in a number of movements including colonialism/slavery/trade unionism and 21st-century culture wars - will require some careful navigation. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 13:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , the lead, history and slavery sections look good at first reading. I have added a sentence and paragraph break to the history section about the acquisition of the estate as I found it confusing without it. TSventon (talk) 16:08, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it. And thanks for the edit, which does indeed make it clearer. The habit of families alternating the first names of the first-born sons, George/Edward/George/Edward etc. can indeed make teasing out the lineage very confusing. KJP1 (talk) 17:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

B class MILHIST review
B class. Excellent article. You are on your honor to fix the introduction sentences listed below. The introduction is not usually cited because it summarizes the article. However, the introduction should only contain material that is included and cited in the article. Djmaschek (talk) 03:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "It was originally a medieval fortified manor house, on an estate founded by Ednyfed Fychan." (Fychan is not mentioned under Early owners.)
 * "In the 15th century Gwilym ap Griffith was granted a licence to crenellate and built a stone castle and added a tower house." (Licence to crenellate, stone castle, and tower house are not mentioned under Early owners.)
 * Please fix by (1) adding the missing material (Fychan, crenellate, etc.) under Early owners, or (2) changing the two introduction sentences to something like: "In the 15th century Gwilym ap Griffith came into possession of an estate on which he built a fortified manor house."
 * - Very much appreciated, and understood. Shall sort that issue today. Thanks again for taking a look. KJP1 (talk) 04:52, 16 September 2022 (UTC)