Talk:People Against Gangsterism and Drugs

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Probably have ties to Islamic extremists in the Middle East - how NPOV is this? -- Zoe


 * I think this was due to its being copied verbatim from some source. --snoyes 03:09 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

Estimated at several hundred members, PAGAD's G-Force probably contains fewer than 50 members. This is an illogical sentence. Who is doing the "estimating" in the first clause? Who is making the "probability" claim in the second? As it stands, the article is making both claims (since neither is cited), and that makes no sense. --FOo


 * Again, this is due to its being copied verbatim from the source (US Navy) which is not unbiased and doesn't attempt to be. --snoyes 05:05 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)


 * Then, just for argument's sake, what is it doing in a supposedly NPOV project? Hephaestos


 * Hehe, you'll have a hard time finding someone to argue with. I didn't insert it, but I'll make it neutral (I lived in Cape Town most of my life). - But not tonight. --snoyes 05:20 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

Past tense?
Most of this article should be written in the past tense. The bombing campaign has apparently been over for several years. Ebrahim was convicted of public violence in 2002 and has been in prison since then. The article is largely lifted from. Zaian 21:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Bias
I placed the NPOV template because this article relies on only very carefully selected information from the citations, deliberately avoiding important information that would convey more positive views. For example, |the BBC article] also reads notes that the organization "began with the best of intentions, as Cape Town citizens did battle against crime", and that the police force was "corrupt and under-funded". Information like this is critical to understanding PAGD and the reasons for its founding, yet it has been carefully left out. PAGD arose as a result of the South Africa government's failure to enforce law during the apartheid. This serious and prominent blunder of the apartheid-era government more than a mere "belief"; it's blatant fact—the Cape Flats had serious problems, including poverty, hunger, crime, violence, gangs, drugs, and poor legal enforcement. dm yers t urnbull  ⇒ talk 22:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, templates are much easier than editing this tiny stub. - 63.239.65.10 (talk) 03:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

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