Talk:Peoria Charter Coach Company

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Non-notable, promo piece, etc. 174.146.29.31 (talk) 03:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Fatal Accidents section
I removed the Fatal Accidents section because the information does not appear to be backed up by a reliable source. The "sources" that backed up the information link to the Champaign-Urbana News Gazette Wikipedia page, and mention old articles from the 1990s that may not exist.

Also, the traceroute information for this IP, and 174.146.117.235 (talk) shows that both the IPs come from the same person. If the person nominated the article for deletion, then why did he take the effort to add a section on Fatal Accidents?

http://www.domaintools.com/research/traceroute/?query=184.234.255.51 http://www.domaintools.com/research/traceroute/?query=174.146.29.31

Gulugawa (talk) 01:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The accident section cited two articles from a prominent regional newspaper. There is no valid basis for assuming they do not exist, just because they are, perhaps, older than you are. I am going to reinstate that section until such a time as you provide the community with evidence that they are not valid. 174.153.107.33 (talk) 02:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I removed the edits that you made to add the Fatal Accidents section back in. A source is not valid just because you can't find proof that it is invalid. By your logic, I can claim that Peoria Charter had 500,000 passengers in 1950 and cite a nonexistent news article, which makes my claim valid since you cannot prove that the article doesn't exist. If you believe that a section on fatal accidents is relevant to this article, then provide proof that those articles exist.

Gulugawa (talk) 03:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I think maybe you need to review WP:AGF and stuff like that. By your logic, all citations everywhere in Wikipedia are not valid unless they can be immediately viewed by clicking a hyperlink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.234.38.52 (talk) 03:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm saying that the sources need to be verifiable by someone else besides the person who posted them. If providing a hyperlink does not work, then see if you can take a screenshot of an online version of the article or get permission to post it as a PDF. Alternatively, I can message you with my email address and you can send me proof via email. Gulugawa (talk) 03:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with offline sources. However an NPOV effort to remove them should also have removed the "Awards and Distinctions" section too, since 2/3 of its sources are every bit as offline ( Gordon, Paul (August 8, 2000). "Family businesses being sought". Journal Star (Peoria, Illinois). "Peoria Charter lauded". Journal Star (Peoria, Illinois). November 4, 2003)--I could not verify them, and the third, while hosted at Trailways is essentially original research in asserting that it is an "award" or "distinction" to be on the cited list, which for all we know amounts to being in a DOD phonebook. KevinCuddeback (talk) 03:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I could not verify the first two sources either, so I removed them. Although the source hosted at Trailways sounds like a DOD phonebook, the fact that competitors LEX and Suburban Express were not listed on there is signficant.


 * For the Fatal Accidents action, someone else showed me the News-Gazette article mentioned by the IP and it does talk about a bus accident involving a Peoria Charter bus. It would be useful for someone with a neutral POW to rewrite the section based on the information in the article if it is relevant to this Wikpedia page. The IP appears to be a sockpuppet, and probably is not neutral. The article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1290&dat=19950129&id=JyJUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=qI0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6829,6107566


 * Gulugawa (talk) 13:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure where you got the idea that you are in a position of authority in Wikiland. If you are interested in the articles, I suggest you visit the newspaper or the library and have a look at them yourself. Until then, you shouldn't mess with others' work as you have several times now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.234.38.52 (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Whitewashing by User: Gulugawa
"Peoria Charter Coach Company treats employees like a member of their family. They take pride in their professional, clean, safe and friendly environments for their customers. Their meticulous preventive maintenance program provided for all coaches has given them a well-earned reputation for reliability and confidence among their some 400,000 passengers. [3]"

I am concerned that Gulugawa may be an employee of, or working for, Peoria Charter. He has made negative edits to its competitor, Suburban Express, and numerous puffy edits to the Peoria Charter page. I also wonder if he is not acting in concert with user:AlmostGrad, or if AlmostGrad and Gulugawa are meatpuppets of one another. 174.153.41.80 (talk) 14:44, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Section blanking by Peoria Charter
diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peoria_Charter_Coach_Company&diff=611386440&oldid=611386347

An edit was just made which blanked the "Fatal Accidents" section from an IP registered to Peoria Charter. True colors shown. "#
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 * The edits made by the Peoria Charter IP to blank the section made sense since the information there was not backed up by a reliable source. Also, the IP does not have a history of making other questionable edits or attacking other users. On the other, Suburban Express sockpuppets have made a large number of questionable edits to this page and the Suburban Express page in addition to attacking other users. Gulugawa (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Subject of article should not be editing article. Repeatedly saying that someone is a sockpuppet doesn't make it so, no matter how much you want it to be true. 174.153.41.80 (talk) 15:13, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There is no rule saying that the subject of an article should not be editing an article. Wikipedia allowed User:Arri_at_Suburban_Express (talk)to make edits. Also, you work for Suburban Express and you frequently make edits to your company's article using various IPs.


 * To anyone else reading this, here is a list of over 30 IPs and evidence linking them to Suburban Express. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z-pulc5hWEnZsaiXw1kn2zImvA4nFmqSUy2XfZB-uxA/edit


 * Gulugawa (talk) 19:54, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

1995 accident
I have moved the 1995 accident to the History section for now; one single accident does not deserve a section of its own called "Fatal Accidents". However, I am not sure if this incident should be mentioned at all, since all the sources I could find (Source 1, Source 2, Source 3, Source 4, Source 5) say that the Peoria Charter driver was not at fault; the driver of the church van skidded and lost control on an icy road. Also, the tone of the version added by the Suburban Express sockpuppet was not neutral or encyclopedic. AlmostGrad (talk) 18:07, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I have removed that paragraph per WP:NOTNEWS. This accident was entirely irrelevant to Peoria Charter Coach Company, which was not at fault; nor did it have a lasting impact on the company. Huon (talk) 21:08, 27 November 2014 (UTC)