Talk:Pep Guardiola

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2020
Catalonia cannot be a national team by definition. This information is wrong and false. Luiceur (talk) 19:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. See Catalonia_national_football_team.  If you think it does not exist, please start a discussion there.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020
Catalonia is not a country recognized by FIFA. The section where he played for Catalonia should be removed under national teams Afj82 (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ I'm not sure what your point is. The article on the Catalonia national football team makes it clear that they are not "not affiliated with either FIFA or UEFA and is therefore not allowed to participate in either the FIFA World Cup or the UEFA European Championship". So
 * If you're trying to state that only FIFA-recognized national teams should be in player infoboxes, then make the statement (but you'll have to get consensus from the football project by discussing it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football first).
 * If you're trying to state that it should not be discussed in the "international career" section, the claim is sourced so I don't see it going anywhere. There's already nothing in the "career statistics" section, so you can't mean that. Please explain yourself more clearly. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2020
Change "Sala" to "i Sala" IPOokap (talk) 20:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


 * ❌ The sources you provide do not support your claim. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 15:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Here you have an official document from the Catalonia Parlament where you can see that his name is “Josep Guardiola i Sala”. So the name should be changed as requested by the other user.
 * It’s actually the normal way of putting two family names in Catalonia, but if you need an official document, here you have it.
 * https://www.parlament.cat/document/actualitat/149028.pdf Littlelifes (talk) 22:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 23:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Why was this changed back? His last name is Guardiola i Sala, there's an official document showing it, as well as many other online sources. Most family names in Catalonia are written this way. Strawberryfire (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Champions league Season 17-18
Include Pep Guardiola's defeat to Liverpool in Champions League season 17-18. That part is missing Er. Aashish Tiwari (talk) 03:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2021
Change "Guardiola Sala" to "Guardiola i Sala". His full surname is "Guardiola i Sala", according to the Catalan naming customs. Wikipedia in essentially every other language adds the "i" between the two surnames. Also, there is no source to support the current version without "i". 2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph (talk) 19:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think my point was misunderstood. His surname according to the Catalan naming customs (see link above) must contain the "i". This should be the default. It is the current version without "i" that lacks any reliable source. Therefore, unless his surname can be proven to be "Guardiola Sala", Wikipedia should use the version with the "i".2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we understood your point: Catalan nationalism, etc. I think you misunderstood the request to provide a reliable sources that uses the Catalan convention rather than the Spanish convention. Most sources that I found use the Spanish convention: https://www.premierleague.com/managers/5285/Josep-Guardiola/overview, https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0252-0e764be2c247-18b687939779-1000--josep-guardiola/ , https://www.fifa.com/photos/galleries/josep-guardiola-1621522#barcelona-coach-pep-guardiola-1557781 and I could continue. I appreciate the sentiment, but the sources call him Spanish, not Catalan, and so we should use the Spanish convention unless there is a consistent use of the other. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021
90.160.148.226 (talk) 19:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC) X PEP HAS NOT WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IN 20/21 WITH MAN CITY???
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Tito and Pep
Re: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pep_Guardiola&oldid=1025740482

How is a statement about the only two individuals be about just one? I disagree. Also, here is a tip from a noob editor re:MOS: Instead of deleting stuff, try fixing them, especially if they're minor. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 08:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like you added it back regardless. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I'm open to have it removed. If you think it is really unnecessary, I'd be okay to see it go. Especially if you think it is not noteworthy in Pep's article. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 06:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There are other editors who can remove it if they find it to be a problem. The naming convention was correct when you added it back. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Barca
Pep was at Barca 2008-2013 90.242.191.216 (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Nope, he left in 2012. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Filmography
I have removed the recently-added filmography section. Adding specific sections like this has been generally avoided in articles whose subjects are non-media professionals, but I think it's worth discussion. In articles about other footballers, you can see prose mentions of prominent media appearances in the public image/reception sections; this is more complicated with the Guardiola article due to his prominence separately as a player and manager. The thought seems to be that as people who aren't actors or presenters etc., the media appearances are a side note to their career (not a focus) and only significant in that they reflect how the players have been received by the public. Including a filmography also begs the question whether all media appearances (e.g. documentaries) should be included - an as himself cameo is no more a proper role than featuring in a documentary.

Discussion should probably focus on whether media appearances are significant enough to warrant filmographies, and if so, which media appearances to include. Kingsif (talk) 12:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Managerial honours.
There are many {{citation needed tags in the honours section, Pro's trophy haul is not in doubt, so could someone confirm that the Barcelona FC webpage :- Pep Barca be ok as a reference for his trophies as a manager for Barcelona ?? Cltjames (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023
For the first photo of Pep coaching at FC Bayern, the photo on the right displays him in 2015, while the subtitle below mentions 2013 incorrectly. The photo file itself was published on Flickr in 2015. So the request is to fix the year of the subtitle from "Bayern Munich in 2013" to "Bayern Munich in 2015". Hope this small fix that should be easily to manage. Detektiv Prime (talk) 08:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The original photo on flickr,, was indeed uploaded in 2015, however it was "Taken on November 24, 2013", so the caption is correct. --Ferien (talk) 09:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The Bundesliga ball behind the coach is from the 2014/15 season (Torfabrik 2014/15), since it's designed after the 2014 World Cup design. Also the player who is wearing a black face mask is Robert Lewandowski, who joined Bayern in 2014 as a free agent, and the reason for the mask is due to an incident from the DFB Pokal's semi finals, which took place on 28th of April 2015. In the match against Borussia Dortmund, where the goalie hit him mid air on the head resulting a concussion. Not sure why the photographer inserted 2013 for the date of the photo taken but the photo was taken around the start of May 2015 Detektiv Prime (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

He coached in mexico
in 2006 he coached dorados de.sinaloa 2600:1011:B18B:CC68:F1F8:321A:B567:9B0B (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

His Latest Contract Extension
Under the "Managerial Career - Manchester City" section, I see every "Contract renewal" has been mentioned, except for the most-recent one, where he extended his contract to "mid-2025". I think the agreement took place in 2022. Can somebody assist me by telling me where in the article text to put this statement? Or maybe somebody can do it for me?

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37634161/pep-guardiola-signs-manchester-city-contract-2025 ; https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/guardiola-extends-manchester-city-deal-2025-2022-11-23/ GeographicAccountant (talk) 11:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Nationality
There is a Wikipedia RfC that reached the consensus to "if sources generally use a certain identity when referring to someone, and it is clear that the person self-identifies with that identity, to use that identity." I think this is one of the cases in which this should be done, as he has indeed made that clear. . So according to that it should be "a Catalan professional football manager" instead of "a Spanish professional football manager". Maybe, it should still be noted somewhere that the national team he played for was the Spanish National Team, but I think the starting biography should be changed. 2A02:A03F:64DD:3F00:74A2:C37D:CF48:116C (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.
 * This seemed clear cut at first, but after reviewing the sources neither actually describe him as Catalan or Spanish. The first says he supports Catalan independence, but doesn't explicitly confirm he identifies as Catalan. The second quotes his biographer, but it is a deprecated source that can't be used. This could probably be settled with other sources but these seem inconclusive.


 * There's also been some back and forth editing on this recently, so it should be discussed before a change is made. @Dillbob07 and @Bsckr, you may want to weigh in since you've both changed this recently. Jamedeus (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Jamedeus, thank you for your answer, I definitely think more people should discuss it as I'm not 100% sure either, I tried contacting User talk:Scoelho86 as he reverted my edit but I got no answer.
 * What I disagree on is that he "doesn't explicitly confirm he identifies as Catalan.", in the BBC article they quote him saying "We Catalans, along with our democratic government and institutions, want to vote so we can decide [...]"
 * Regards, Bsckr (talk) 10:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the BBC article is not in the original message, i meant this one. Bsckr (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jamedeus no one seems to be weighing in, do you have an opinion on this? or should we move the discussion elsewhere? Regards, Bsckr (talk) 15:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bsckr I don't have a strong opinion or particular knowledge on this issue. However, at this point I think its fair to change it back given the RfC, your BBC link, and this discussion with 2 requests to use Catalan and no objections. I just restored the wording from your most-recent edit and added a note to direct people to the talk page before changing it again. Jamedeus (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Guardiola identifies him as a Catalan. The sentence: Catalan professional manager from Spain its perfect. Panenkazo (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The RfC itself has no clear consensus on whether it should or shouldn't contain the nationality like this. Since its a football article and Catalonia is not a FIFA-recognizable nation (it is not a nation per se), we should refer to him as a Spanish football manager, not Catalan. BRDude70  ( talk ) 23:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Plus, it is a very clear breach of consensus: I don't see anybody calling Raúl (footballer) a Madrilenian football manager and former player, or Dorival Júnior as a paulista football coach and former player. Correct sentences use nations, not states. BRDude70  ( talk ) 23:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Catalonia is officially considered a nation. The community of Madrid does not. You are making comments as when Sergio Ramos said he spoke the Andalusian language.. Yes, not exist this language. Panenkazo (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The fact that FIFA does not recognize the Catalan Federation does not mean that it does not exist. This page, like that of other footballers, does not only contain content about their professional activity. Pep Guardiola is an activist and has been on political lists in favor of Catalonia. There is also content relating to his private life, investments, companies, ideology. It doesn't have to be just an exclusively sports page. Enough of this ignorance. Panenkazo (talk) 00:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ignorance? Seriously? Mr. @Panenkazo, I was not the one who added a word to multiple intros against the consensus just because I wanted to. YOU were the one who did it. Read the RfC again, and stop vandalizing articles because you want to add a personal agenda about Catalan nacionalism. Even though Guardiola's article is correct according to the RfC (which remains a good load of nonsense for me), 99% of the other articles you edited aren't.
 * Gather sources and edit in an UNBIASED manner, which as far as I could tell, is not your case. BRDude70  ( talk ) 04:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Like it or not, there is no doubt that Guardiola and other Spanish sportsmen/women are also Catalan. The fact that Catalonia is a nation is a legally and officially established fact, not because I am a Catalan nationalist. On most occasions they have represented Catalonia with the respective national teams. I'm not making anything up or doing any kind of vandalism. It doesn't matter your opinion, they are Catalans. Panenkazo (talk) 07:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no doubt that Guardiola and other sportpersons are from Catalonia. He have represented Catalonia. However, identification or self-identification is a separate issue. But it is clear there is consensus to include the fact of their origin.
 * See coment of administrator on  talk page. It is a current/similar debate there. Panenkazo (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The actual/current sentence "is a Catalan professional football manager and former player from Spain", does not say at any time that Pep Guardiola has Catalan nationality. He simply specifies that he is a Catalan person (a fact that cannot be debated) from Spain. Panenkazo (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The actual/current sentence "is a Catalan professional football manager and former player from Spain", does not say at any time that Pep Guardiola has Catalan nationality. He simply specifies that he is a Catalan person (a fact that cannot be debated) from Spain. Panenkazo (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2024
The beginning has a typo, it says “Pep Guardiola is a is a…” Ilyenkov (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done The mistake was fixed in this edit. Jamedeus (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)