Talk:Perfect Dark Zero/Archive 1

"Xbox 360 games" category
For some reason the "Xbox 360 games" category showed up as red on my screen. I put in a space and now its normal. Did anyone else see it? Thunderbrand 22:24, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Boxshot
WHY the boxcover need be replaced? What wrong with current boxshot? --Mateusc 05:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It is unsourced, for one. But nothing is terribly "wrong" with it, is there anything "wrong" about the replacement image? It is of a higher quality, it has a source (a requirement for images posted to wikipedia) and a clear rationale for fair use (it is part of a promotional "fansite kit", such images come with permission). Unless you can provide some proof that replacing the image will somehow harm the article, I think you are simply reverting on bad faith. --anetode╔╝ 05:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Unsourced? Hanhm.. it's a public game boxcover with fair use compilant.
 * Halo
 * Halo 2
 * Project Gotham Racing 3
 * I never saw anyone in Wikipedia broken with this... and not bad faith, just to keep the norms. --Mateusc 05:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes unsourced. See Template:No source, that type of unsourced. The image I replaced *is* sourced, and is offered with permission. What's broken is that wikipedia relies on fair use, and whenever there is an option that is more respectful of copyrights, it is preferable. Also, bad faith means that you do not assume good faith - that is, you appear to think that my actions are not meant to improve the article. --anetode╔╝ 05:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't see any problem with current boxcovers. Unsourced or not it's compilant with fair use and this is already made in lot games articles here. --Mateusc 06:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * You do realize that unsourced images are deleted, right? If there is a sourced alternative, much less one that implies fair use and permission, then changing the image is justified. If you don't see what's wrong with the box cover, then please tell me what is wrong with the image I posted. Pointing at other pages is rather irrelevant, this is a different set of circumstances with different options. --anetode╔╝ 06:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The problem of image that you posted is: not compilant with the norms os WPCVG and already a fine box image in the article. I think this need a LOT of discuss in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games because as Jacoplane says, this is a consensus of community and you trying to disrespect this. --Mateusc 06:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Once again, it is the box art (Image:PerfectDarkZero.jpg is the image in Image:Pdz_boxart.jpg), as suggested by WPCVG's policy on infobox usage. And even if it weren't, that does not automatically invalidate the edit or give you cause to engage in multiple reverts (or to violate WP:3RR w/r/t/ PDZ or Kameo), after all: Ignore all rules, WP:BOLD. --anetode╔╝ 06:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Game reviews
Do we really need all those links to each review? Why not just have Gamerankings (which is already there) and leave it at that? It would clear up the clutter. Thunderbrand 14:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The review links have been removed from the article, and rightfully so. However, if anyone wants to expand the Reaction section and wishes to cite some professional reviews as references (I reckon a few quotations from specific sources are better than general statements like "leans towards the positive"), here are the reviews previously included in the article. --Nick RTalk 17:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Summary of ''Perfect Dark Zero Reviews at Metacritic
 * Summary of ''Perfect Dark Zero Reviews at Game Rankings
 * 1UP: 9 out of 10
 * The Adrenaline Vault: 4 out of 5
 * Edge: 7 out of 10
 * Weekly Famitsu: 32 out of 40 (80%)
 * Famitsu Xbox 360: 31 out of 40 (77.5%)
 * GameSpot: 9.0 out of 10
 * GameSpy: 8.0 out of 10
 * IGN: 8.4 out of 10
 * Official Xbox 360 Magazine (UK): 9 out of 10
 * TalkXbox.com 9.7 out of 10
 * TeamXbox.com: 8.8 out of 10
 * XboxCircle.com: 9.1 out of 10
 * X-Play: 3 out of 5
 * Boomtown: 8 out of 10

The introduction calls this game critically panned and says it got a lukewarm reception from the gaming press, even though it has a very respectable 81% at Gamerankings. Am I missing something? Ace of Sevens 20:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Most reviewers actually don't like the game. I don't know why they changed their minds. It's either Microsoft paid them to give the game good scores. Or they didn't have much to go by at the time.71.75.161.147 16:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Article Additions
I would like to complete, or at least start to write articles for these topics: * Single-player storyline and missions (difficulty settings etc.) * Multiplayer mode options * Xbox Live compatibility (downloadable content, stats, record times etc.) * Weapons featured I've read wikipedia for a long time, but never edited or created anything on it. If anybody could help me, it would be appreciated, because I have information that could be included for those topics (as well as some other games). Also, I'm not sure how to reference it either. Dukester101 14:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The weapons featured section is fine (I'll remove it from the to do list) - unless you can think of a way to improve it, in which case, be bold and do so! That goes for the other sections too. I think the best way to organise it, for now, would be to add extra sections called "Multiplayer" and "Online modes".


 * I'm not entirely sure either about how we're supposed to cite references for things that are obvious from a look at the game/book/film/etc. Does checking these things in the original material itself count as original research? If so, then a lot of pop culture articles are going to have to be changed... -- Nick RTalk 17:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I like the way the weapons list is set up (better than the original Perfect Dark setup). I added a few details to it earlier today. I will begin working on the character list "major," and "minor." this afternoon. I will try and start on "Online," and "Multiplayer" as well. As for sourcing, I agree with you, so I will leave it unsourced until I can find out how to source the game manual.--Dukester101 18:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Added Xbox Live section with general overview of online gaming options for the game.--NeedlerFanPudge

Weapons section
I understand the use of the weapons section, but right now it's a bit... large. I'd suggest that you might want to truncate it or make it an article of its own. -TonicBH 00:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've tagged as suitable for moving to the gaming wiki, as per project guidelines. --Oscarthecat 11:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a crapload too big, remove it! Leemorrison 20:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Dark Ops
is this simlar to counter strike? should that be added?

Added reference to Counter-Strike, since that is it's obvious insperation--NeedlerFanPudge

Game Engine
At current the game engine is noted as hydrocore however as far as i know (from reading various interviews with the developers and Rare's website the game used an heavily modified/updated version of the original Goldeneye/Perfect Dark games but just used Havok pyhsics. Could anyone calrify this? TheEnlightened 23:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you have a link to that? I'd love to see it -- Chris Price


 * Scratch that, found this. Rare is dancing around the issue in the above article, it sounds like some Goldeneye code was used, but that it was basically a re-write with some Goldeneye code remaining.  If it was more than that, I would expect to see elements or at least similar responses that I just can't reproduce between the two engines.

uh this link talks about Perfect Dark not Perfect Dark Zero

Where did Zero come from?
On November 15, 2000 - IGN.com scooped up that Rare had acquired the rights to use the names "After Dark", "Perfect Dark Evolution" and the phrase "Shot in the Dark". Whether or not these names were potential candidates to become the title for an upcoming sequel to PD, IGN did not know at the time (One can only assume that these "titles" got scrapped).

However, on June 11, 2001 - IGN.com mentions the name "Perfect Dark Zero" in a short article where Fireworks Entertainment and Goodman Rosen Prods announced that they had acquired the rights to make television and movies versions of the N64 game Perfect Dark. Thus we have the earliest mention of the final product name (from IGN, anyway). Note that "Perfect Dark Zero" was still regarded as a codename at the time, and that it was still a gamecube title. The very same day Nintendo featured a title called Perfect Dark Zero on its online GameCube release list, but pulled the information shortly after it was released, which led many to believe this could be the official name of the still-secret first-person shooter sequel. Feel free to visit this link, I might have missed something.81.232.114.123 18:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * These kind of things tend to happen in the gaming industry: it shouldn't come as a surprise. Punkalicious 04:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Still, this is turning into a wild goose chase. I've looked through a wealth of game sites (IGN, Gamespot, etc.) but still haven't got a firm date. Is there any site which specializes in E3 coverage. The coverage on the mentioned sites was fairly vague. One might ask, why E3? Well, because that's the event where game companies traditionally have uncovered most high-priority games/titles/franchises/consoles...(you get the idea!) for the last five years. However, if not at E3, I'm sure they officially uncovered the title at some mega event, where a large amount of people were paying attention. Opinions/suggestions? I know I'm making quite a lot of guesses here, but the issue has been evading me for months now and I'm starting to run out of ideas.81.232.114.123 18:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Who cares? Rico Ricardo 06:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do someone with such an attitude even care to post a comment on this page? 81.232.114.123 18:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

WHAT?!
This used to be a B-class article but now IT's start! Why?22:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Wi Account ki

Joanna's Nationality
Wasn't she British in the Nintendo 64 version? She has an American accent in this. Is there any explanation for that whatsoever? --Chaide —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 01:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No explanation is provided, but in this Edge article designer Duncan Botwood describes it as a "Mid-Atlantic" rather than American accent. -- Nick RTalk 01:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Shotgun
Remove this, please:

'Definitely the best close combat weapon,'

This statement is subjective and should be removed. There are policies in place in Wikipedia to ensure quality and clarity. Please be sure to review all policies before editing any part of Wikipedia. If in doubt, don't edit Wikipedia - just look at it.

172.133.157.65 04:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Whatever happened to "being bold", then? :) WeBuriedOurSecretsInTheGarden 14:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Weapons Section again
That is way too in depth. I tagged it for moving to a gaming wiki but I checked strategy wiki and they have a comprehensive weapons page. If anyone can find somewhere to move this content to that would be great, but im going to delete it and replace it with a short summary on the weapons very soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sat84 (talk • contribs) 11:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah I see this content already exists word for word on the gaming wiki. I'll start editing it then.--Sat84 11:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

July 2008 game update
I've been playing perfect dark zero for ages and had all the updates but recently (july 2008) i got a new update, i don't quite know what it did, but it was certainly a new update. Anyone got info on this? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.110.34 (talk) 18:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There hasn't been any new updates in over two years. The update you got was more than likely from running maintenance on the Xbox 360's hard drive. When you do that, all game updates are deleted and will need to be re-downloaded. --Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 07:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Odd link...
The engine is listed as the HydraCore engine, but the link leads to the article for the Havok engine. Why is this? Just wondering. Miquonranger03 (talk) 04:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggested change to the "Future updates" section
I haven't made the change yet, but I'm suggesting that the first paragraph in the "Future updates" section should be changed to a more automatic way of updating. We can grab the current month name and current year, compare, and minus the game's release year to get the number of years since it was released using special magic words and ParserFunctions.

The suggestion is to change this:

Be changed to this:

My only real concern is whether or not any guideline states that this shouldn't be used in articles.

Thanks. --Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 13:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

"Limited" Collector's Edition
Does anyone know the story of why the supposedly "Limited" edition is so common, to the point that it's the same price as the regular edition? What was the point of the "glyph" cards inserted into them? 99.146.0.246 (talk) 05:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Because they made too many runs of them and found nobody cared about their collector's edition anyway? Just a theory. This isn't the place to ask. Find a forum. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 12:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Reference material
I just noticed that this is up for GAN; I'd like to point out that the Online print archive contains two print reviews of the game, from Game Informer and Play Magazine. Hope they're helpful. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 03:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

References that may be useful when improving this article

 * New images from Perfect Dark Zero's defunct Xbox version emerge
 * Will Overton's Transformation Sequence
 * The Art of Videogame Visuals: Part 2
 * Niwi3 (talk) 08:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

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