Talk:Performance Writing

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This is a few blunt statements. I will develop it further in the coming weeks through theories I have entangled throughout my study of this subject. This will require others input otherwise it will be extremely biased.

21st Jan Reconfiguration
I've separated out a discussion of definition (still not happy with that title, any ideas) from its history. Also rejigged parts to make more sense to those outside of academic/artistic study. Practice -> Artistic Practice, etc. Improved the flow. Included more current aspects of the course, like the cessation of the BA, and sourced all the stuff about the MA and such.

Figuring the next step is to:
 * Integrate this: http://www.jstor.org/pss/3245984
 * Network the article with significant high-profile (to an extent) graduates and practitioners like Lone Twin, maybe Low Profile (one half of which is now a graduate). Have a scan through the PW Facebook page and add everyone that makes sense. Include wikilinks to these people, which will make the page more useful. Also include wikilinks to this article from those peoples' pages, where appropriate. The basic idea is to increase this page's networked-ness, especially since at some point an editor's going to come along and ask us if this page is notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoeno (talk • contribs) 16:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

List in opening para was re-added. I don't feel it adds anything to the text, but I've wikified the links for now so they can make more sense to an audience outside of the arts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoeno (talk • contribs) 09:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Course Cessation Removal
See [edit].

Wondering what the rationale for this is? As the launch of the BA is being taken as a launch of the field, it seems like the cessation of it would be notable. If the course itself is judged not notable enough for that much information, seems like that paragraph could use clearing up.

I'm re-adding the reference for now, as it's the only evidence we have for the BA existing at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoeno (talk • contribs) 09:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I took it out because of the controversy a few weeks ago. Larry hasn't spoken to us directly about this issue, we're not in full possession of all the facts and so I think it would be inappropriate of us to mention it here. One thing we DO know is that there is no "cessation of the field", only SPECULATION that the course MIGHT be taking a year out as it reconfigures itself within its new institutional context. As for the course not being notable enough to merit such information being included, on the contrary: is it not possible that including such negative information only serves to undermine its notability? The course will continue, maybe not this year, but certainly it will the following year. Let's just leave it at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.72.125 (talk) 11:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Unless, of course, you know something I don't. If it's been confirmed officially that there will be no intake next year, that's a different matter. But I still think we should make it absolutely clear that it is only a respite, and not The Terrible End. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.72.125 (talk) 11:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I was taking the information from the UCF website's page on the BA, which was sourced in the article ( http://www.falmouth.ac.uk/136/courses-ceasing-entry-57/undergraduate-courses-489/performance-writing-bahons-2117.html ). I stuck pretty closely to the site's wording, but perhaps instead of what was:
 * The course ceased applications from 2010 onwards as part of a reconfiguration of its Performance Writing courses.

we could put:
 * The course ceased applications from 2010 onwards pending a reconfiguration of its Performance Writing courses.

~neoeno (talk) 12:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Okey-dokey. I hadn't seen that page and had no idea that it had been confirmed. I do have a suggestion though, which we can address with Larry at the meeting on Monday: let's find out first whether the course will be ready for the academic year beginning 2012 (and I'm pretty sure it will be- Larry has just appointed a new award leader). Confirming that would be a lot more positive for prospective students who might very well read this page, don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.72.125 (talk) 12:17, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Mmm, well, one of the big things with wikipedia is that it should be based on whatever sources are available. Even if Larry said, intake 2012, we couldn't put that in, because there's no way we can source it until it's on the UCF website. And the UCF website currently says, this course is not taking on new students, as part of a reconfiguration. I don't think it's discouraging potential students to say exactly what the UCF website has to say, and in fact 'pending' is quite positive considering the verifiable information we have.

It can wait until Monday, however. neoeno (talk) 12:32, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Fishsticks. You've got a point there. Well, let's wait until Monday, we'll have a chat with Larry and see what he says. He might think it's better to say nothing at all, although you're right about 'pending' being more positive. See you on Monday. --109.152.72.125 (talk) 13:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so, the deal is. We can only put it in if it's substantiated. To do otherwise would be a conflict of interest (WP:COI), and a patent lie. There is no source to say it is a temporary cessation. So, based on this, I think—until some other source comes along—this is the only solution:
 * The course ceased taking applications for new students from 2010 onwards pending a reconfiguration of its Performance Writing courses.

See WP:NOT -neoeno (talk) 20:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding it now. -neoeno (talk) 17:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)