Talk:Perl Mongers

brian d foy vs Brian D Foy
The initial version of this article presented this name all letters lower-case. I followed the Wikipedia policy for personal names that states
 * As proper nouns these names are always first-letter capitalized

and changed the name to Brian D Foy. Randal reverted my edit back to the all lower case variant, citing the style guide from the private homepage of brian d foy. Apparently, we got here a conflict between the style guide of Wikipedia and the personal style guide of a name holder. IMHO, we should see if a consensus can be found for this deviation from the Wikipedia style guide. Otherwise, we should conform to it. --AFBorchert 07:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * brian d foy prefers to be published with that case, so I would prefer following the name-holder's style guide, as with the precedents of bell hooks and k. d. lang. The issue might be worth raising in a larger form, since Wikipedia:Capitalization isn't exactly in accord with Proper names on this issue, as the former suggests variants from Wikipedia policy are tolerated, and the latter doesn't mention variants.  DAllen\talk 14:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

brian d foy 17:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC) My name should appear just as it does on my numerous magazine articles, my books, and other publications. When Wikipedia's style guide should first choose to display things correctly, and only secondarily try to disambiguate forms. We already know that there are several articles where Wikipedia's style and technical limitations are unfortunate. brian d foy 17:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all your comments. I hope you did not mind me bringing up this topic but at least this talk page should now help any possible future editor of the article page to abstain from capitalizing brian's name back again. I would, however, appreciate if the Wikipedia style guides could reflect this. BTW, DAllen, your link to Capitalization ends up in a redirect to Manual of Style which has no section called Nouns. Hence, I currently fail to locate the text you refer to. Thanks and regards, AFBorchert 18:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Hm... I just read brian's style guide again and found following point:
 * sentences should not start with brian d foy if you normally capitalize the first word of a sentence. recast the sentence so that it begins with a capital letter.

This conflicts with the second paragraph of the article where one of the sentences starts with brian's original idea was. Could someone please rephrase that? (I am neither familiar with the early history of the Perl Mongers nor a native speaker of English). Thanks, --AFBorchert 19:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it's fine. The "if" is key here: some styles require capitalization of the first word in a sentence.  IF your style requires that, rather than capitalizing "Brian," simply rephrase the sentence. Pudge 07:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)