Talk:Perm, Russia

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Would you let us know the full name of Saint Andronik of Perm, the new Martyr? He was the archbishop of Perm when the Russian Revolution rose in 1917. I suppose its spelling is Andronik Nikolisky, but I couldn't find any source in latin arphabet. He is refered in Japanese Orthodox Church. Cheers. --Aphaea 22:56, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Never heard about that guy. Will research. Grue 05:52, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This page: seems to contain his biography. His real name was Vladimir Nikolsky. Grue 06:19, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Aphaea 17:01, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

perm 36?
http://www.wmf.org/html/PDF/gulag.pdf GULAG camp; if i've heard correctly, the only one still around/converted into museum.

http://www.perm36.ru/sql/aeng/eng/index.htm about former camp «Perm-36»

Move?
I'm strongly against the move. Perm is one of the most important cities of the world and should stay here.  Grue  19:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * My rationale for the move was as follows (but I'm very open to being persuaded otherwise):
 * When I think of "perm", I immediately think of the hairstyle - in fact, I'd never heard of the city until I came across it here.
 * As the majority of users of Wikipedia are Western, I imagine that the article on the city in Russia would be of little interest.
 * The hair article is longer and more comprehensive.
 * There are many other permutations of "perm" (mind the pun) so I thought a disambig page would fit best.
 * As I said, I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise and will certainly not revert war over this. --Cel es tianpower háblame 23:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

If Perm were a small town I would agree, but it is a city of over a million people. I think its reasonably famous in the West too. If one knows, say, twenty Russian cities, it would certainly get on the list. Imagine there were a hair-style called Cincinatti or Glasgow; I dont think it would be given precedence over the city of the same name.

Perm is indeed a very high profile city. I have worked for an organization in Perm for the last 7 years, and our organization alone invites and hosts over 50 guests each year from the U.S., Europe, and Australia for between 2-12 weeks at a time. I have also met many Western businessmen and consultants here in Perm from various industries. Our guest often tell us that they spent time searching the internet for information on Perm (the city), and therefor I believe this page will continue to be highly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.146.96.231 (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Typical Russian mania grandiosa. Perm has less than a million people for several years. See here. --84.50.157.67 23:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Words «Typical Russian mania grandiosa» looks like discrimination and insulting lot of people. Wikipedia not a place for it. And, actually Perm is more than one million people city, because statistics on your site is old and not full. I am strongly against move, Perm is a city — perm is only hair; people more important than hair. User:AT 15:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.211.3.86 (talk)


 * Perm is indeed a very high profile city. I have worked for an organization in Perm for the last 7 years, and our organization alone invites and hosts over 50 guests each year from the U.S., Europe, and Australia for between 2-12 weeks at a time.  I have also met many Western businessmen and consultants here in Perm from various industries.  Our guest often tell us that they spent time searching the internet for information on Perm (the city), and therefor I believe this page will continue to be highly appreciated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.146.96.231 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * However, it is certainly true that many English-speakers who search for "perm" want to find an article about the hair-style so Ive put a disambig link at the top as an experiment. Does that look OK for everybody? Jameswilson 02:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Celestianpower's version looks good. Id forgotten about the unit of peremeability LOL. Jameswilson
 * From this, I can't see that there's much support for the city being here - when and why was it moved again? Regards, &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 22:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was never moved anywhere since I reverted your previous attempt. If you really want to move this, start a formal WP:RM request, and so on, but I'll do my best so the move doesn't happen.  Grue   07:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Layout
The layout of the page is as ugly and off-putting as it can be. Please remove either the template or some of the images. --Ghirla-трёп- 23:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Discrepancies
There is an error on the Perm page. The 2nd paragraph says Perm is Russia's "6th largest city" in land area. Then, two paragraphs later (1st paragraph under "Geography," the article says Perm's 799,68 square km. gives it "third place" among Russia's cities. I don't know which (if either) is the true fact, but it's obvious it can't be both. And I have studied for over an hour to try to figure out how to enter this comment, so if I didn't do it right, please advise. Thanks. --Jmlindner (talk) 19:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * John, thanks for catching this. I have made corrections.  The "sixth largest city" statement was taken from the Urals Tourism website, where it refers to population, not to the area as it was presented in the article.  Even in terms of population the data are either incorrect or outdated, as according to the 2002 Census (the most recent available), Perm was thirteenth among the Russian cities population-wise.
 * I have also removed the statement about Perm being ranked third in terms of area. This statement is neither referenced, nor correct (Sochi's area, for example, exceeds that of both Moscow and St. Petersburg combined.  Since I don't have full records on the areas of all Russian cities/towns, I am unable to rank them properly, so I removed the statement altogether.
 * Once again, thanks for catching these! Much appreciated.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:20, January 22, 2009 (UTC)

Electric Train Suburban Service in Perm?
Just read of one Russian magazine, Perm have natural resources to develop suburban electric train service from old Krasnokamsk through the whole town as far east as to Golovanovo station. Have this project proceded and will suggested "metro" type suburban train service been seriously planned with separate tracks for this type of local train service?

Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.117.60 (talk) 03:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It was implemented a few years ago. The existing tracks are used and the route is Overyata - Perm II - Golovanovo. I heard this service was almost cancelled recently, because it's not profitable for the railroad company.  Grue   11:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Correct pronunciation
Perm city name is pronounced as "Перьмь" by 100% of natives whether Wikipedia editors like it or not. Gramota.ru website is not a paragon or judge for this issue. Any other pronunciation is laughed and mocked at here. 188.16.126.169 (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Gramota.ru is financed by Rospechat, which makes its recommendations regarding the Russian language extremely relevant. If the locals pronounce the city name differently, it only proves that they speak a regional dialect.  Dialectal variations, however, never take precedence over the general language standards.  If you have a reliable source ("reliable" being the key word here; this will not do) supporting the local pronunciation, by all means add the native pronunciation and the source.  We are not here to prove anything, only to document facts by supporting them with sources.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 17, 2010; 18:03 (UTC)

Gulag ???
Why is there no word about the Gulag on this page ... ??? --fij (talk) 08:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the article is about a city and the gulag was not in the city?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 10, 2010; 14:22 (UTC)

Geologic period
Current lede says "It is widely believed that the geologist Sir Roderick Murchison coined the name of the Permian geologic period from the ancient kingdom of Permia". Why the doubt? Wardog (talk) 11:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Molotov
This is absolutely not the case when we should include former names in the lead. For the same reason that we don't add the name of Stalin in to the lead section of the Varna article. --glossologist (talk) 09:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Much marketing
No metro. Yekaterinburg looks smarter. RippleSax (talk) 04:05, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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'Soviet Period'
This section, supposedly covering the history of the city during 73 years of Soviet Russia, is confined to an absurdly brief 48 words. - Sca (talk) 16:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Perm (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 19:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Muslim Cossack
>Since 2004, the first Muslim Cossack unit in post-Soviet Russia has been based in the city of Perm.

An insignificant fact. There is no information about the activities of this organization after 2004. And there is no information about it connection with the city. --Mike Somerset (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ --Mike Somerset (talk) 20:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)