Talk:Permit-class submarine

Missing lead
Good catch, Robdumas. It looks like the Lead paragraph was accidentally deleted here when the infobox was converted from a table to a template. Your version of the Lead is actually better in the first few sentences, so I just tacked the old Lead on to the end of yours, as it was written as a transition to the next paragraph. In fact, it might be better workied in to the second paragraph, if someone else wants to tweak it. - BillCJ (talk) 21:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 01:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Thresher/Permit-class submarine → Permit-class submarine – There is no such thing as a "Thresher/Permit-class submarine". The class was originally the Thresher class; following the loss of USS Thresher (SSN-593), it was renamed the Permit class. Wikipedia standards in this sort of situation are to use the name by which the subject of the article was most commonly known by, which in this case is Permit-class submarine, with other names as redirects to it and being mentioned in the lede of the article. So this should be at Permit-class submarine per WP:COMMONNAME. The Bushranger One ping only 08:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. per WP:COMMONNAME. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

"Support as per above. LCS check (talk) 20:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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Redirects
Thresher-class submarine should redirect here, along with Thresher and Permit class submarine, Permit and Thresher class submarine , Permit/Thresher-class submarine , Permit/Thresher class submarine -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 09:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The first, yes. The others, not really - they are very unlikely search terms (then again, so is the current title...) - The Bushranger One ping only 05:25, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Relation to Sturgeon class
I have removed a sentence stating "The Sturgeon class (SCB 188A) was built with the Flasher-type hull as part of their SUBSAFE redesign, along with an even larger sail. [Friedman, pp. 143–46]" The source does not in fact say this, it merely states "the design [indicating the Thresher and/or Flasher design] was then completely revised to become the Sturgeon class. [p. 143]" Friedman goes on to (correctly) say that the Sturgeon was a significant redesign. The confusion about the "Flasher-type hull" likely stems from the fact that the Flasher and Sturgeon were exactly the same length, 292'6". One example of the difference between the hulls are the toroconical transitions between the cone and full-diameter hull, evident in the drawing on p. 149.

In fact, the decision to lengthen the Flasher, Gato, and Greenling (laid down as repeat Threshers with the same 278'6" length) came after the dimensions were set for the FY63 SSN, which became the Sturgeon. The FY63 SSN preliminary design summary is dated 25 October 1962 and a memorandum titled "SS(N) 613, 614, and 615; Lack of adequate margin to accomplish the Submarine Safety Program on" is dated 24 November 1963.  The latter states, "it is recommended that these ships be lengthened 13'-9" [5 frames]..." Both documents can be found in Box 72, Entry P62 (Item S-13), RG-19, NARA, College Park, Md.

Normally I would not go into this amount of detail for a simple edit, but given that other edits that I have done have been reverted, I thought this prudent. Vepr157 (talk) 07:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC)