Talk:Persecution of Serbs

persecution of Serbs?
There are many sources for the World War II persecution of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia. But, is there any neutral and reliable source that call recent attacks on Kosovo Serbs a persecution? --Mladifilozof (talk) 20:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)



Now, 9 new sources are in the article. --Tadija (talk) 20:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

sources for persecution
Let's check out these sources given in the article to confirm the persecution of Serbs:


 * The genocide of the Serb population and persecution of the non-Albanian population must be stopped; This is quote of Nikola Sainovic, convicted Serbian war criminal. Not neutral and reliable source.


 * PERSECUTION OF NON-ALBANIANS CONTINUES IN KOSOVO; This is the Voice of Russia. Not neutral source.


 * Humanitarian Bombing vs. Iraqi Freedom; The Centre for Peace in the Balkans is a Serb media based in Toronto, Canada. Not neutral and reliable source.


 * KLA - Truth in facts and testimonies; Serbian Ortodox Church. Not neutral and reliable source.


 * Continued Persecution of Roma, Ashkalis, Egyptians and Others Perceived as “Gypsies” in Kosovo; European Roma Rights Centre. Partially reliable source.


 * Kosovo & the Systematic Persecution by KLA; Serbianna, another Serbian media. Not neutral and reliable source.


 * INTERNATIONAL FORCES HAVE FAILED TO PROTECT NON-ALBANIANS IN KOSOVO; Another Voice of Russia. Not neutral source.


 * KOSOVO: SERBIA’S TROUBLESOME PROVINCE; Bataković, Serbian nationalistic author. Not neutral and reliable source.


 * The Lie of a "Good War"; Diana Johnstone, american journalists and famous Srebrenica massacre and Kosovo massacres denier. Not neutral and reliable source.

At the end, there is no a single neutral and reliable source. If you wanted to improve this article use accepted and reliable sources like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, OSCE report, etc.--Mladifilozof (talk) 20:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

POV
This is clearly ideological article, which tends to represent Serbs as all-time persecuted victims by enumerating any possible "persecution" (attack, hatred, murder, etc.) ever happened to them in history (possibly as a part of bigger "Holocaust of Serbs" plan). Viewing the self through the lens of a persecuted victim is crucial moment of Serbian nationalism. All interested can read academic work on this subject, writen at University of Otago: Globalizing the Holocaust. Beside, there's already article "Serbophobia" that serves for Serbian victimisation.--Mladifilozof (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Did some cleanup of sources according to the talk page and Mladifilozof's thoughts. Since I cannot view the Voice of Russia (dead link), I didn't delete that source, which is now the only one source left in this section. --  S ulmues (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed for the merge into Serbophobia. --  S ulmues (talk) 19:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Catholicization
"Catholicization", unless it's forced, is not actually persecution. Mighty qualify as proselytism, but that's still off topic. GregorB (talk) 22:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * In theory I completely agree with you although I have to admit to not know precisely the issue. --  S ulmues (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

With groups like the Croats or Serbs (who are essentially the same people inspite of religion and customs), simply changing one's religion changes the person's ethnic identification. A Serb is Orthodox, a Croat is Catholic. One cannot be an Orthodox Croatian or a Catholic Serb, one is not longer the one upon conversion to the other. The few people who try to identify as both ultimately are assimilated into the adopted culture or return to the birth culture. 71.240.138.137 (talk) 20:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think thats what's being talked about, forced catholicization and islamization, it just needs to be expanded to explain it more. 174.113.134.157 (talk) 20:40, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge to article Serbophobia
This article should be merged to Serbophobia as it currently is a fork article of Serbophobia. This move was already supported by two other users but no nothing was done.--R-41 (talk) 02:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Serbophobia is a very questionable neologism and that article was nominated for deletion five times already. Persecution of Serbs is an article with a pretty undefined scope, its lead looks like taken from a nationalist pamphlet ("throughout Serbian history, Serbs have been persecuted by the Ottoman Turks, Bulgarians, Austro-Hungarians, Germans, Croats, and more recently Albanians and Bosniaks" - we don't ascribe persecution to nations, do we), the World War II section is forked from World War II persecution of Serbs and Kosovo section from Persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo (which itself is questionable where it stands today as there aren't any non-Serbs mentioned in that article). The Catholization section indeed strays off topic and the Islamization section is unreferenced and the only useful bit is forked from Janissary. Lastly, the Albanization section looks prety dubious, its main source coming from here which describes the idea of Arnautaši as a "thesis", says that that population is "known in Serbian sources as Arnautaši" (implying that only Serbian sources call them that) and defines them as "Islamicised and half-way Albanized Slavs". In any case, this last group seems to consist of population which voluntarily assimilated as I don't see how "talking Albanian and marrying Albanian women" can be defined as persecution. In short, the entire article reeks of WP:SYNTH in a poorly executed attempt of constructing a case that Serbs have spent the last several centuries being victims of pretty much every neighbouring nation. Along with Serbophobia this should be merged into Anti-Serb sentiment (Serbophobia was actually moved to Anti-Serb Sentiment back in February 2007 but the move was reverted because the editor who moved it didn't bother to update article body accordingly).  Timbouctou ( talk ) 10:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I just now read this, after having first responded at Talk:Serbophobia. I'll continue there. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 18:59, 12 October 2011 (UTC)