Talk:Persian Gulf conflicts

Change to disambig? Delete?
I can't find any reliable sources that confirm that these three wars combine to form a "series" of conflicts known by anyone as the "Persian Gulf conflicts". I believe the Iran-Iraq War was known as the "Persian Gulf War" to the west before the (coalition) Persian Gulf War, but other than that you'd be hard pressed to find any sources that support the claim that these three wars are related in some way. My initial thought was to nominate it for deletion, but then I realized it would probably serve better as a disambiguation page. Under those circumstances, it should be moved to Persian Gulf conflict. Any thoughts on this?  Swarm   X 00:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, by searching it in Google books or even simply in Google, I think the article looks fine this way. Of course other editors' ideas are fully respected. Regards, *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  04:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, putting quotes around a phrase in google always brings up results, that's not remotely close to being a reliable source; I still don't see any reliable sources that support the notion that these three wars combine to form a "series" of conflicts known popularly as the "Persian Gulf conflicts". If you can present one, please do so. However we can all google phrases, thanks.  Swarm   X 12:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As you certainly know putting a phrase in quotes, limits the search to only the defined phrase, and of course reduces the number of items found.
 * Regarding the google books, did you spend some time to read the books in the first page of the search at least ?
 * You may take the article to an AfD or start an RfC. However in any case, my vote is to keep this article.
 * *** in fact ***   ( contact )
 * Yes, I did, which is why I found it curious that you stood behind the results. In order, those results apparently refer to: The Iran-Iraq War and the Gulf War; the Gulf War and the Iraq War; The Iran-Iraq War and the Gulf War; the Gulf War; the Gulf War; the Gulf War; [general use of term]; [unclear]; the Gulf War; and, again, the Gulf War. None of those results on the first page refer to those three wars as a series. In fact, I reviewed the first five pages of results and didn't find a single source that did. All the uses of the term are either general, nonspecific uses, referring to one of the conflicts, or, at most, two.
 * I already said I'm considering nominating it for deletion, so saying "start an AfD if you want but I'm voting keep" isn't helpful. It would be far more helpful to explain why you think it should be kept, and, perhaps citing some reliable sources to support that claim. Better yet, add them to the article.  Swarm   X 01:57, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you should also ask the creator of this article. I will help it to improve, too. I just need some time to do so. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  13:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think you can source it, I'm all for giving it a chance, of course.  Swarm   X 17:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Just a very quick look, I found this. I'm sure we could find more. *** in fact ***   ( contact )  20:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Iran-Iraq War is also known as a Persian Gulf conflict. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  04:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * First source refers to the Gulf War and Iraq War only. And yes, the Iran-Iraq war was known as a Persian Gulf conflict. More than enough sources to support the fact that each war could be considered a "Perian Gulf conflict" individually, hence the proposed disambiguation page. However, there's no sources to support the notion of a "series of conflicts fought [around] the Persian Gulf since 1980." These three wars aren't part of a "series", but "Persian Gulf conflict" can certainly refer to any of them individually.  Swarm   X 06:10, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ok ! I just created Persian Gulf conflict (disambiguation). *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  08:21, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright. What's your opinion on what to do with this page, then? I would favor a redirect to the disambiguation page, unless you intend to continue looking for sources. Even if sources were to turn up in the future, this article could be easily restored (though I personally don't feel this is likely).  Swarm   X 08:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * *** in fact ***   ( contact )  08:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks for your civility throughout this discussion. Regards,  Swarm   X 09:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I should thank you. The fact is I always try to follow the facts. Regards, *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  09:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that, in fact, a fact, in fact? ...sorry, I honestly couldn't resist. Face-grin.svg Best,  Swarm   X 11:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)