Talk:Persian gardens

Persian Gardens in the list of World Caultural Heritage
Now Persian Garden is Iran's 13th properties inscribrd on UNESCO's world heritage list. We read about it: The property includes nine gardens in as many provinces. They exemplify the diversity of Persian garden designs that evolved and adapted to different climate conditions while retaining principles that have their roots in the times of Cyrus the Great, 6th century BC. Always divided into four sectors, with water playing an important role for both irrigation and ornamentation, the Persian garden was conceived to symbolize Eden and the four Zoroastrian elements of sky, earth, water and plants. These gardens, dating back to different periods since the 6th century BC, also feature buildings, pavilions and walls, as well as sophisticated irrigation systems. They have influenced the art of garden design as far as India and Spain. for more info see: http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1372


 * I see that gardens in India have been added to the list, a Persian garden doesn't have to be in Iran. Thus I have added the Generalife in Granada, Spain - it is a very genuine example, and a world heritage site. 24.108.58.1 (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposed mergers

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I recently found the following on the "Persian garden" (note the singular) talk page:

This article greatly overlaps the Paradise garden article, and should be merged into it. Unless material can be found on the later uniquely Iranian gardens, eg. those of Esfahan. Imc 18:50, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It is interesting that in 2004, it was suggested that "Persian garden" be merged into "Paradise garden"; now it has been suggested that "Paradise garden" be merged into "Persian Gardens." [Note the singular and plural.] While a "Paradise Garden" may have originally been akin to a style of Persian garden, it has now become (through folk and outsider art) something bearing its own nature, and the article should not be merged. Just imagine...Howard Finster having creating a Persian garden! Meanwhile, I have no problem with merging the "bagh" and "charbagh" articles into "Persian gardens."

So: here are my votes, using the rationale above:


 * Oppose - the merger of "Paradise Garden" into the "Persian Gardens" article; it is now its own art form and should remain separate.
 * Support - the merger of "Bagh" and "Charbagh" into the "Persian Gardens" article.

I am concurrently posting this on the "Persian garden" and "Persian gardens" talk page, and copying the 2004 section on the "Persian garden" talk page to the "Persian gardens" talk page. StavinChain (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, let's open debates on three different pages! - there's one open somewhere else, I forget where. The fact is we have Charbagh, Bagh (garden), Persian gardens, Paradise garden, Mughal gardens, Islamic garden, all poor and all essentially on the same thing. Johnbod (talk) 21:27, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support any & all merges of the above articles, ideally to Persian garden tradition. Now where is that other debate? And who is Howard Finster? Johnbod (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose-- While legend and obvious comparisons have it that the main plan and design of charbaghs in India resemble those of the paradise/chaharbaghs in Persia, there are some fundamental differences like the placing and position of the tomb building (central to the function of Charbagh as a paradise metaphor) that have been changed in the Indian examples. See Ebba Koch for more details on Taj Mahal specifically. Also there is only one manual on gardening found from the Indian scenario which does not even once mention the charbagh. Noopur28 (talk) 09:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's just one issue - what about the others?  Charbagh, Bagh (garden), Persian gardens, Paradise garden, Islamic garden? Johnbod (talk) 20:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Summary
There is no clear present consensus to merge the articles.  MBisanz  talk 18:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


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inversion
"An example of this is the chahār bāgh (چهارباغ), a form of garden that attempts to emulate the Abrahamic notion of a Garden of Eden, with four rivers and four quadrants that represent the world"

This does not seem to be correct. The "gan eden" rather emulate cyrus' proto-chahar bagh.

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