Talk:Persian mysticism

Explanation of deletion of material
The material that User:Joe Dynue has been adding made significant (and dubious) claims which were very clearly PoV (and which were couched in very PoV and unencyclop&aelig;dic language). Adding a link to someone who's said all of that doesn't make it NPoV. Moreover, he or she simply cut and pasted the material from the cited Website, which is clearly marked as copyright. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I moderated it. Would you please help me to rewrite it in a NPOV way ? particularly because you are a philosopher and a native speaker.Thanks. --Joe Dynue16:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I've moved the material here for discussion and editing:
 * In western culture, from the time of the ancient Greeks, human love and heavenly love differed. Human love (eros) began with physical liking. This concept developed gradually in Plato’s philosophy. However heavenly love (agape) is a spiritual life estranged from physical liking. Therefore, in Western thought, physical love and spiritual love were regarded as contradictory to some extent. However, in Japanese fundamental thought, physical love and heavenly love were intertwined and there is no distinction between the pure and clean love of a man for other men and his loyalty to his lord. A more profound concept of love is found among Persian mystics. Love is the opening chapter of mystics and travelers of the way. This lofty mystical love is developed from untold feeling and wholly forgets the beloved. He means love and his life is love and without love he is dead.

There are some problems that it's difficult to solve by minor editing. Some of the main problems and questions are: In order to get other thought on this, it might be an idea to place the article at WP:RFC, but I'll hold off on that until we've had a chance to discuss it more intimately. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) If included in the article, the whole passage should be preceded by: "According to Hossein Karamyar in his paper "Samurai Culture is Congenial Toward Iranian Mysticism...".
 * 2) The claim about human and "heavenly" love in Western culture is at best over-general; it might be true of certain religious – especially Christian – writers, but not more generally.
 * 3) I'm not sure about the claim concerning Japan either; it again feels too general (and is a bit obscure as it stands).
 * 4) In any case, it's not clear why an article on Persian mysticism should be talking about Japan...
 * 5) The claim that Persian thought is more profound is PoV.
 * 6) What does "Love is the opening chapter of mystics and travelers of the way" mean?
 * 7) Who's the "he" in the last sentence?

Merge into Sufism
I proposed this page to be merge into Sufism. Behnam (talk) 01:46, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose: the grounds for the merge aren't clear to me, given that islamic and persian aren't synonymous. Klbrain (talk) 06:48, 4 August 2018 (UTC)