Talk:Persona 3/Archive 2

Persona 4
I stopped in to see if one was already being created. Didn't see a Persona series article, so I though I'd come to the most recent game. Persona 4 has been revealed in Famitsu magazine. Though now that I think about it this may already be in the SMT main article (if there is one) TRTX T / C 18:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivia section
The trivia section looks like a complete mess, and I think it's unnecessary and should be deleted. Any other thoughts? MayumiTsuji (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)MayumiTsuji
 * Done. -- Tenks (talk) 03:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Language?
Does the North America version have English and Japanese audio for both P3 and P3FES? (75.157.183.134 (talk) 23:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC))

I'm also wondering if FES has japanese audio. I'm very surpriced that it isn't mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.125.176 (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Late to the game but, no, the NA version of FES does not have Japanese audio. Your only options are English Voices or No Voices. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 13:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope someone comes out with an undub, what were they thinking when they didn't add Japanese audio? P3 has a group of the best seyuu alive in japan today, to deny the world of their talent is a crime D: 20:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.247.13 (talk)

It isn't necessary for releasing the game, and then there is a problem with disc space. Overall it is a lot cleaner, easier and economical to release it as English only. Sorry guys, but this isn't like a DVD movie. It could be done, but the compression might be bad. 74.194.224.252 (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Reception

 * "Evokers, however, do not replace guns in the world of Persona 3, as real firearms are wielded by several characters in-game."

Not sure what this sentence means or what relevance it has to controversy. Maybe it was just phrased oddly? Great game BTW. --70.142.33.230 (talk) 09:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They're called "soul guns" in the Jap version, so shouldn't the article read "Evoker ("soul gun")." After all, the article does contain the game title in Romanji/Kata. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.247.13 (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Condense or split off FES?
Right now there are three scattered sections dedicated to P3: FES; one about the story, one about the gameplay (what's all that different, though?), and one that focuses on the development/release history and explains what the game is. And this section comes last.

I think there's enough to say about FES that it could be given its own article. There's 30 hours of new story, and most all game websites re-reviewed the game to examine the new content. Even the Persona remake for PSP has its own article, but that's always subject to change I suppose.

And if we don't do that, we can at least condense all the FES info into one subsection. If this article is about Persona 3, it would be best to keep the content of the article about the original release. Interspersing bits about FES here and there could be confusing. --gakon5 (talk) 23:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * We should avoid a split - FES is P3 + extra content (as opposed to a many-year-separated port), and it would be unnecessarily duplicative to split out (plot, gameplay, and some development, and I didn't see much talk on FES' reception). That said, combining sections on FES may make the most sense, maybe not explicitly calling out the gameplay or plot sections but just explaining what changes there are there.  --M ASEM  (t) 23:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure. There isn't much to say about the gameplay; it's more or less P3 sans Social Links.  The story can be summed up easily as well.  Also, let's keep talk of "The Journey" and "The Answer" (as terms) to the FES section, because those are FES terms. --gakon5 (talk) 00:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I was mistaken about there not being FES reviews (see ). Still wouldn't split, but basically I'd dedicate one full section to the FES additions and its own reception. --M ASEM  (t) 00:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Well, not done, but started.  I re-tooled bits and pieces from the Development and Gameplay sections for the introductory paragraphs.  The two paragraphs of plot are a straight cut-and-paste from the old Plot subsection.  I was trying to avoid reading it, as I haven't yet finished the last boss of The Answer.  I should get on that...
 * Some of the stuff from Development isn't in there. It can certainly be salvaged, though.  I just don't know how much talk of countdown clocks and NeoGAF leaks are necessary.  Or the specific day that the release dates for other territories were announced. --gakon5 (talk) 01:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

A specific plot detail
(spoiler ahead) Technically, it isn't revealed that the Protagonist is dead until the beginning of P3: FES. So that should not be included in the main plot description, right? Maybe it's supposed to be obvious at the end of P3, I don't know. They do keep saying "hey, you're really tired." But, I knew about his death going in, so I can't gauge that for myself. --gakon5 (talk) 20:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Persona 3 Portable
As Shin Megami Tensei: Persona has it's own, separate article from Revelations: Persona, I think Persona 3 Portable should also have one. Persona 3 Portable changes up much more than Shin Megami Persona, and with it's own article, it could go into detail about that. This change may not be able to happen now, as information is scarce and largely unconfirmed; however, I would like to see a Persona 3 Portable article be created sometime in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AerialAlch (talk • contribs) 11:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A port of a game to a system a few years after the initial release is probably not going to recieve that much attention. (Yes, sites have noted that P3P exists but not as many as you'd think). There's no reason to split that off.  I'd even say that the decision to split the Persona remake article off was also not a good idea since there's no major story or gameplay changes. --M ASEM  (t) 13:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Masem; SMT:P should be a subsection of the Revelations: Persona article. SMT:P was given a fresh English translation, so there will be something to say there, but not enough that the game needs its own article. --gakon5 (talk) 19:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

A better way to show review scores?
I'm all for showing review scores of FES, but the VG reviews box is really tall with scores from both games shown, creating a lot of empty space between the Reception section and the one after that. Maybe it's just because I have a big monitor, but I suspect even an average-sized monitor would show something similar. A cleaner solution may be creating a version of the template with an extra column added. That way scores can be seen side-by-side, and the table would be wider and shorter. I was trying to reconstruct the table myself, but I don't know enough about fancy template syntax to properly extract the template code and get the same result. What do you think? --gakon5 (talk) 18:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The reception section right now is really lightweight. We should easily be able to pull three full paragraphs - two on P3, and one on FES, alone. I'd rather see what can be put toegher better before considering the table change. --M ASEM  (t) 18:56, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, sure. I worked on it a bit last night.  I had almost forgotten, however, just how devoid of opinion some game reviews can be. --gakon5 (talk) 19:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

On images
I like the scan of the art book that's currently in the article, but I don't know if the fair-use rationale works out all that well. What exactly is it doing to help the presentation of the article that we can keep it in there? I've seen other game art FURs along the line of "illustrates the game's unique art style." I suppose P3 does have a unique art style, but I don't know what this image does to do that. It doesn't really work in the context of this article, either, which doesn't have any discussion of art style. So what do you think? Maybe scrap it? --gakon5 (talk) 21:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That image is used as the basis for the CD cover. Replace the art book scan with the cover image and you've doubled the purpose of it. (And yes, there is a certain art style that can be used to establish this -- it would be helpful if we could cite reception for that). --M ASEM  (t) 02:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Of all the reviews I've read of this game, very few commented extensively on the graphics or art style. In most cases, the best you get is a comment on how the graphics are "stylish," but that's pretty vague.  The two main contrasts are between P3 and other MegaTen games (ditching the more creepy look) and other RPGs (ditching feathery-haired anime dudes).  There are comparisons to dig up along those lines.  I'm skimming through reviews now, to see what there is on graphical style. --gakon5 (talk) 21:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Fourth game?
I understand that Persona 2 is split into two games, but these would be considered two parts to the same story and numerically one story. As Persona 3 is the third story, wouldn't that make it number 3? Also, if we wanted to get especially technical, The Answer from Persona 3: Fes is a game independant of The Journey and therefore the fifth game. It just seems tedious to count multiple parts of the same story as story numbers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.224.252 (talk) 18:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It may be the third narrative arc, but it is indeed the fourth video game in the series, and that's what the opening sentence says it is. I'm not interested in getting into the technicality of the stories, especially because the games aren't meant to encompass this congruent world or "canon".  The developers intentionally left links between the games tenuous; it's not their intention to craft an interlocking story out of these multiple games.  For that reason, I'm not interested in pointing out that Persona 3 is the third "story" in the Persona series. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 22:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed - the SMT, or even just the Persona games, are too convoluted to identify the exact order and placement - they have the same problem as the Final Fantasy series (what game # will FF 13 be?) Gakon's solution is the clearest to explain. --M ASEM  (t) 22:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That misses the point almost entirely if not stating it is indeed the third narrative. And where does order continuity come into the conversation? It is obvious the games are independant of each other. 74.194.224.252 (talk) 10:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm saying that calling it the "third narrative" in the Persona series is unnecessary and sort of misleading, because for all intents and purposes, these games exist in separate universes.  Calling it the third narrative implies it is part three in an ongoing story, which is not the case.  This is Final Fantasy, not Halo. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 20:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

A-class assessment
Because this article will most likely be my first time in FAC, I'd like some help in getting the prose where it needs to be, and of course fixing any other issues the article has. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 22:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Famitsu Awards 2006
I think it should be mentioned in the article that P3 won the Best RPG title in Famitsu Awards 2006! And what about the concerts that they held at Akasaka, Tokyo (Akasaka Blitz) and in Tokyo (Wel City Tokyo). Aniplex released the first in DVD (Persona Music Live: Velvet Room in Akasaka Blitz). Sillent DX (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added the Famitsu link; thanks for mentioning it. Will add the concert stuff. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 18:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Comments per Request for assessment

 * Cover images need descriptive alt text.
 * The caption describes the contents of each box, which is acceptable per WP:ALT. Or do I actually need to describe the visual elements of each box?  With the original and FES boxes, it's just silhouettes, and that's pointed out in the caption.  --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 19:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The caption is used to explain the image where as the alt text is used to describe the appearance of it. WP:Alt - "In general, alt text summarizes the image's appearance, whereas the caption helps all readers interpret the image"  Cr im so nF ox  talk 23:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I haven't had time to get on and work on this. At the same time, I have no clue what I'm doing with this alt text on the boxes. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 23:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Should protagonist be capitalised? It happens a few times throughout the article some are, some aren't.
 * I had some nebulous, vague reasons for using caps or not using caps. Something like how you might refer to someone's mother, or you might directly call them "Mother", with a capital "M" because it's being used as a name.  Like, when the main character is described as a "silent protagonist", that would be lowercase because it's not directly referencing the Protagonist.  But, there are other cases where it's not caps and it probably should be. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 19:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * There's some inconsistencies in reference dates. Some are in yyyy-mm-dd and soem are written in full.
 * They should all be yyyy-mm-dd. I'll change the one's that aren't. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 19:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Three of three fixed. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 22:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Lead
 * "The game is also part of the larger" - "also" is redundant
 * " "Dark Hour," " - Rather than quote marks, I think this should be italics. Also, if it were in quote marks, the comma would be outside them.

Plot
 * "in order to possibly harness their power" - "possible" seems redundant
 * "Nyx, or the "maternal being," - Punctuation should be outside the quote marks
 * "who was still a child at the time" - "Still" is redundant

Gameplay
 * "Slash," "Fire," "Ice," or "Darkness." " - Period needs to be outside of quotes
 * "All-Out Attack," - Punctuation needs to be outside of quotes

Remakes
 * "includes a epilogue" -> AN epilogue
 * "is repeating itself over and over." - "and over" is redundant, the use of "repeating" already states this.
 * "Mitsuru points that Erebus will " - points OUT ?

Check for more issues with punctuation within quote marks, as I only pointed the first few out. See here for more details. Hope these comments help.  Cr im so nF ox  talk 09:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like User:Heavyweight Gamer fixed most of the punctuation errors. Thanks! --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 19:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Finally got around to fixing the ones in the FES section. With that, all the errors should be fixed now. Heavyweight Gamer (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Support A-Class -- All issues have been addressed. Nice work! --Teancum (talk) 17:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

When I reviewed this article for GA status, it was a pleasure reading it. Now, its better. I Support and will give it its A-class status. GamerPro64 (talk) 17:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Haven't been on in a few days so I just got to seeing this; thanks! In the future when I have more time, I'd like to take this to FAC.  Do you think any of the more obscure sources like Siliconera will be an issue? --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 20:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, probably. GamerPro64 (talk) 20:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

RPG of the dacade (RPGamer) + pre-order bonus + Concert 2009

 * Persona 3 won RPGamer's RPG of the decade title!
 * Atlus USA give a Junpei baseball cap for the pre-orders.
 * Aniplex relased the "Persona Music Live 2009 - Velvet Room in Wel City Tokyo-" and "Persona Music Live Band" CD in 2010. 06 .23.Sillent DX (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Interview with Soejima
Interview with Soejima by PlayStation Japan If i get it right the Evokers are Soejima's idea, but initially they wanted to use knives(?!). Sillent DX (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Sales data for P3P
It's sales 94,287 in November 1, 46,459 from November 2 to 8, and 17,360 from November 9 to 15. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillent DX (talk • contribs) 14:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the links. --gakon5 (talk / contribs) 01:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

P3P sells 225,000 in Japan (until August) according to an Index Holding report found here (page 16): Sillent DX (talk) 09:29, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Merchandise
Cloths:
 * COSPA's cosplay stuffs (T-shirts, armband, school uniforms):
 * Junpei pre-order cap:

Music:
 * Persona 3 Pre-Order Bonus CD (Japan)
 * Persona Music Live: Velvetroom in Wel City Tokyo
 * Persona Music Live Band
 * Persona Compilation CD I + CD II + BOX-SET

Mangas & novels:
 * mangas
 * novels

Figurines
 * ex_resinya! Persona 3 FES Aegis
 * Megahouse figurines:
 * Orchid Seed Metis:
 * Torory Works Aegis:
 * Protagonist (1), Aegis (3), Misturu (2), Elizabeth (1) from Wonder Festival 2007 (winter):

Limited editions:
 * Persona 3 Playstation.com Pre-Order Bonus Pack
 * Persona 3 KonamiStyle Special Edition
 * Persona 3 KonamiStyle Limited Edition
 * Persona 3 FES KonamiStyle Special Edition (append+"not append")

Others: Sillent DX (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hori 8MB Memory Card
 * Aegis: The First Mission mobile game:
 * Persona 3: The Night Before browser game:
 * Megami Tensei QIX: Persona 3 mobile game:
 * Megami Tensei Chaining Soul: Persona 3 mobile game:
 * Persona 3 em mobile game:
 * Persona 3 Ain Soph browser game:
 * Persona 3 pachinko:
 * Persona 3 Illust Puzzle mobile game:
 * Persona 3 Broken Shadow mobile game:
 * Persona 3 Social mobile game:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillent DX (talk • contribs) 17:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * SEES silver bracelet

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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

– WP:COMMONNAME of both are just "Persona 3/4" as of contemporary discussion and do not include "Shin Megami Tensei" anymore outside of being technical (which could be argued that's only because of the page title on Wikipedia...) "Persona 3" gets 3,130,000 results on google, while "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3" only gets 465,000. WP:CONCISE would also apply here, as well as consistency with other games in the series. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 → Persona 3
 * Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 → Persona 4
 * Can you give examples of any reliable publications that use Persona 3 or Persona 4 instead of its published name? lullabying (talk) 02:33, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 1, 2, 3 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. I can't even find any real results of "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3" outside of game profile pages/review titles (which might just be because of Wikipedia, like I stated earlier) 99% of all in-article mentions of the game omit Shin Megami Tensei. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No opinion: I'm fine with both choices. Changing to Persona 3 and Persona 4 would be more consistent with the Japanese marketing title and not a lot of people use the Shin Megami Tensei label in Western media anyway. At the same time, if someone wanted to keep it for technical reasons, I see that as valid too. lullabying (talk) 15:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * But the common name trumps any "technical reason", unless we need it for disambiguation purposes (which we don't). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:23, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - The games are shortened to Persona 3/4 in sources. TarkusAB talk 15:42, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. I expect the "Persona" sub-series is more popular the "Shin Megami Tensei" franchise as a whole in western sources. --The1337gamer (talk) 17:04, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, also would make it more consistent with Persona (series), a FA, which also uses the short name for the article title as well as Persona 1, 2 and 5 as well as the various spin-offs, all of which use the short form. Regards SoWhy</b> 17:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Unified all Persona games, and the SMT is usually dropped in popular coverage of the games. --M asem (t) 17:54, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - 100%. Suprised these were under SMT when Persona 2: Innocent Sin isn't, they are all listed as SMT on the box art, but they aren't known as this. Don't be confused, SMT is a well regarded series, but Persona is so wildly different from the series now.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:32, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this contested? I would consider this move uncontroversial. czar  10:29, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably. There's a comment above that seems to indicate some pushback, and in a general sense, I tend to get push back on these sorts of things from the "hardcore jrpg fan but very casual Wikipedian" type editor who doesn't like that we don't use the "official name". It's probably good to document how clear-cut of a case this is for that sort of editor, now or in the future. Sergecross73   msg me  14:44, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Very well said. Andrewa (talk) 20:39, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The last time I asked about this (around the time of the series move, IIRC) it had some opposition. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 16:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support - the shortened name is definitely the WP:COMMONNAME these days. Sergecross73   msg me  14:44, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - I rarely see the "Shin Megami Tensei" part attached to the title of either game, even if it is officially part of it.--Martin IIIa (talk) 23:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I note that this reverses and overwrites 18:05, 13 July 2008‎ HandThatFeeds (talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (43 bytes) (+43)‎ . . (moved Persona 4 to Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4: proper name of game, matching Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3) and  14:50, 24 July 2007‎ SoulSlayer (talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (43 bytes) (+43)‎ . . (moved Persona 3 to Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 over redirect: This is the official US title.) Current names are more recognisable, however provided the redirects are preserved I see no problem with the move, it's an improvement. Andrewa (talk) 11:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, according to that, the pages should have never been moved, as the common name (which seems to have been just Persona 3/4 even 10+ years ago) should have been kept over the "official" name. I guess the guidelines and policies weren't as clear and/or enforced back then. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 18:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Exactly. There may have been a little improvement on the clarity of guidelines since then (or maybe not), but IMO compliance has been reduced rather than increased. And part (perhaps all) of the reason is that we've become more of a bureaucracy, as all organisations tend to over time, and lost sight of the purpose of the rules, and relied on them being enforced rather than obeyed simply because that helps us to achieve our goals. See User:Andrewa/Rules, rules, rules. Andrewa (talk) 20:39, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


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GA category?
Why is this under the "sports and recreation" category and not "video games"? Had the video games category not existed when it was nominated? Scrooge200 (talk) 17:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Should "The Answer" be moved under the Persona 3 FES section?
The "The Answer" epilogue is only available in the Persona 3 FES version of the game. Shouldn't it be under that section of this page? ObsessiveScribe (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Persona 3 Reload
Wikipedia should report what is covered in reliable secondary sources, which this material I added is – see Kotaku, IGN, Polygon, etc. That the source is a leak is immaterial; unless there is a specific statement from Atlas indicating that the leaks are inaccurate, there is no reason not to include it here. Morgan695 (talk) 02:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * No, we do not report on leaks even if RSes are reporting on them. If/when the remake is announced officially, them a brief mention of the leak can be included. There is no rush or deadline to add about the remake. M asem (t) 03:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there specific policy around this? I'm fine with finessing my additions to indicate that the source here is a leaked trailer (and I did this when I re-added the material), but I take issue with your claim that Wikipedia "should not be reporting on leaks" that are substantiated by reliable secondary sources. We're not running PR for Atlus here, we're covering what's reported in reliable sources. Morgan695 (talk) 03:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes we are pushing PR if we're reporting leaks before any official reveal. We want WP:V material, and all that can be verified is that Atlus accidentally posted something to their social media, but that's no way an announcement or confirmation. M asem (t) 04:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding to this that I do agree. We just don’t know enough about the remake yet other than it was leaked and exists. I don’t think we have enough info to start adding it to the page. For example, we don’t even know the full platform list (more than likely coming to more than Xbox, leaked trailer shows Xbox since it more than likely will be shown at the Xbox Showcase) and there might be enough different in the remake to warrant it’s own full page, but we won’t know this info until an official announcement. I think at the most, a sentence or 2 in the article mentioning a trailer for a remake was leaked is fine, but not anything beyond that until we know more officially. Especially since without an official announcement, a lot of the info can be considered speculation, and WP:MOSVG says to not speculate about future games even if reported on by a reliable source. (VenFlyer98 (talk) 04:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC))
 * OK, this rationale makes more sense to me than "Wikipedia doesn't report leaks", which is just patently false on its face. Morgan695 (talk) 14:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well now it’s official so this doesn’t really matter. Next question becomes if the remake is different enough to warrant its own page similar to other remakes (Resident Evil remakes have their own pages for example). I think it could use one, but thought I’d come to the talk page first. VenFlyer98 (talk) 03:21, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that Persona 3 Reload merits its own Wikipedia page. The game is unreleased, so, if created soon, this proposed page should only be about details that we are certain will be in the final game. If people want it created sooner rather than later, there would have to be people willing to update the page after the game releases.          I think that a page for that game being created for Persona 3 Reload is inevitable.
 * Hopefully people will work as hard on that page as they did on this one. 🤞 ObsessiveScribe (talk) 20:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)