Talk:Pete (Disney)/Archive 1

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I think that his correct name should be "Peg Leg Pete" (Or "Peg-Leg Pete") as this is the name he used to have at least once, before of the late Mickey toons and their political correctness. Laz 18:00 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * But "Black Pete" is more reliable, because he's always black but he doesn't always have a peg leg. &mdash;Paul A 03:07, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Grammar cleanup needed in the Kingdom Hearts II bit - sadly, it seems that it must be by someone with knowledge of the game, so I can't oblige. 81.178.196.214 19:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Name
Why "Bootleg Pete"? Do we have a source for this? Powers T 02:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think Bootleg Pete is a commonly used name? This article should be on Black Pete or Pegleg Pete or Pete (Disney villain). 96T 14:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved it back to "Black Pete", because he's constantly called that in this and other articles and stuff. A name change should be debated, however. 96T 16:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Black Pete's Blunderbuss
I have my doubts that this is a notable drink, but the user who added the information didn't provide any source so I can't even verify its existence. I've left a note to the user asking for a source; if one isn't provided in a few days, I'll remove the paragraph as original research. Powers T 18:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Species
Pete isn't a cat, he's a dog, as evidenced in Goof Troop. User:Fourlittlediamonds
 * No, he's always been a (stylized) cat, like Goofy's always been a (stylized) dog. Anthony Dean 12:26, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, he's definetely ot a "stylized hamster." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.168.245.134 (talk • contribs).

I beleave Pete is still a cat in Goof Troop. Just because his teeth were changed from fang-ish too square-ish doesn't mean he transpecied into a dog. Lonicster 9:45 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I think Pete is too ugly to be a cat, he is a wolf instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.226.42 (talk) 10:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Mickey referred to Pete as a cat in House of Mouse, which was more recent than An Extremely Goofy Movie - not sure if House of Mouse is considered canon though. 164.76.143.254 00:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Durring the Goof Troop series, Pete was repeatedly refered to as being a Bull Dog --Scorp Stanton 15:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

In earlier Floyd Gottfredson stories, Pete was very clearly a cat (tail included). His appearance changed a lot as he became larger and less "cat-like" (his tail mysterioulsy disappeared), but he retained his feline ears. Wedineinheck 16:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, all of this is news to me. I always thought of Pete as being an anthropomorphized bulldog. --Hnsampat (talk) 18:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Although, I should note that, in Steamboat Willie, it's quite obvious that Pete is a cat. --Hnsampat (talk) 05:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Pete isn't a cat, he's a wolf, right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.89.17 (talk) 13:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Pete is not a cat.(a false species) It's a wolf. (a rightful species) You've attempted to make this edit several times now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.226.42 (talk) 03:10, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Pete has ALWAYS been supposed to be a wolf. He isn't a cat. I mean, look at Disney's Big Bad Wolf or even﻿ the Sheriff of Nottingham from their animated Robin Hood movie to get an idea (though I could see Pete and the Sheriff being friends!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:7180:330:2D84:1009:104A:A4D7 (talk) 23:19, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, your suggestions for comparison are your original analysis, which is not acceptable for the basis of an edit on Wikipedia. -- McDoob  AU93  23:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Wait, Pete was Formerly a cat with his tail, and then his tail disappeared, He is a wolf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.89.17 (talk) 23:39, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


 * And your reliably-sourced proof would be ... what? Please provide it here before attempting to add it into the article. -- McDoob  AU93  02:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


 * his clothes and flying blimp shows he is a fat rat. Again season 4 episode 6. Super Adventure! Thanks. All the stores and Internet says he is a cat but he is in fact a rat. Anton280 (talk) 19:49, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * My source is Micky mouse clubhouse season 4 episode 6. It shows a rat pin on his clothes and his blimp that he flies is a big rat. It doesn't get anymore obvious as a source after that. I have a picture also from episode. Don't know how to add that in. Anton280 (talk) 19:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Except that one episode doesn't supersede all of the other sources that state he is a cat, especially since Disney Studios has not updated or officially retconned that he's now a rat.--Mr Fink (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

New name for the article
I am considering moving this article to one called "Pete (Disney)", because most people refer to him only as Pete, and also more people known him without the words "Black" or "Peg-Leg" in front of it. Does anyone have anything to say about this? Themeparkfanatic 20:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Who is Weasel ?
The article states that "In the comics Pete often teams up with Mickey Mouse enemies Sylvester Shyster, Eli Squinch, or Weasel." I know about Sylvester Shyster and Eli Squinch (in italian stories, he also sometimes teams up with the Phantom Blot), but who is Weasel ? Could that be the nazi spy "Von Weasel" from the story "Mickey Mouse on a secret mission" ? While this character fits in the same category as Shyster and Squinch (i.e. : smarters villains Peter works for), he definitely doesn't qualify as a recurring villain, as I think he only appeared in this particular story. Ideas, anyone ? Wedineinheck 16:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Main Picture
Having a Kingdom Hearts image in the article is fine and all, but should one really be the primary illustration of Pete, stuck at the very top of the page? I think a more traditional image would be much more fitting, as opposed to a screenshot from a modern, Japanese video game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.97.140 (talk) 05:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree but his one is the best we have available for a main pic, Maybe you could find a better pic for the taxbox. Bobisbob 03:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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Pete as a dog
How do we know Pete is supposed to be a dog in Goof Troop? Do we have any confromation from thepeople who worked on the show? Just because the other character are doglike doesn't make him a dog. Bobisbob (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at his daughter Pistol, she has Goofy's dog ears and Peg also resembles a dog. I don't think a cat father would give birth to a daughter that looks like a dog unless Peg cheated on Pete with Goofy.--76.208.171.163 (talk) 09:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pistol does not have dog ears, her ears are pointed like a cat's and absolutely NOTHING like Goofy's. And how does Peg look like a dog? She has a small nose and you never see her ears. Seriously, watch an episode on youtube or something.

"Confromation"?68.196.93.32 (talk) 14:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion: Rewrite Kingdom Hearts 2 Section
The KH2 section of this article is badly written, and would really only make sense to people who had played the game before. Sadly, I fear that if I wrote the artice (being a crazy videogame fan), I would make too... how do I put it... similar in tone to the description already there.

Thank you, Dibship (talk) 18:42, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Obscure character?
He was a relatively obscure character until appearing as a regular character in the 1990s TV series Goof Troop.

Maybe he wasn't the most famous one, but he has appeared in numerous comic book stories (many of them from Europe) over the years. In fact, I just read a 1977 story from Italy with Pete as the main villain. While some people (in the US, perhaps?) could have found him less notable than Ludwig van Drake, he was certainly not "relatively obscure" until that TV series. --Mégara (Мегъра) - D. G. Mavrov (talk) 23:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

List of classic cartoon appearances
I added more classic cartoons with Pete to the Mickey and Donald sections. Here is another cartoon with Pete that should be added somewhere - Two-Gun Goofy (1952). And in the WW2 section - Donald Gets Drafted (1942), The Vanishing Private (1942), Sky Trooper (1942), Private Pluto (1943) The Old Army Game (1943).

--Fluxaviator (talk) 00:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Dog-like Pete?
"In the TV series Goof Troop, he somewhat resembled a dog like many other characters in the series."

Okay, I don't see how Pete looked more like a dog than he did before or after Goof Troop. He still had pointed ears, still had a small nose, still had large jowls, and still had a burly frame. His appearance has been such for many, MANY years now, and it hasn't (significantly) changed since.

Furthermore, I'd like to know exactly how ANY of Pete's prominent features actually owe more to dogs than cats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.149.15.56 (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Pete's species
Looks like it's time to discuss this and settle it once and for all. Some editors believe Pete is/was one animal, while others believe he was/is something else. This needs to be settled here and not in an edit war in the article. -- McDoob AU93  20:40, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Sometimes you just gotta ask the source. The Disney Archives provides a Q&A forum for D23 members, and the question was posed as to what Pete is. The Archives say he is a cat, at least as of his initial appearances in the Mickey Mouse cartoons, and in the Alice Comedies he may have been a tailless rat or large mouse. Both statements mention John Grant's Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters (ISBN 978-1562829049). Since we have an independent source for this, exactly where should it go? -- McDoob  AU93  23:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Why Pete isn't a wolf
Pete isn't a wolf, he's a cat, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.89.17 (talk) 19:51, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

No, Pete has ALWAYS been supposed to be a wolf. I beleave Pete of not being a cat ("Who ever heard of a cat had a canine-like snout?!") I fixed this article to wolf for Pete's species, But he was formerly a cat with his tail only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:989:0:3D7E:D982:CA53:A164:4E9A (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Pete is a cat because Disney Studios, the people who created the character, say that he is a cat. As he is their intellectual property they can define him and draw him in whatever way they want. What you think he looks like is completely irrelevant. Disney Studios say that he is a cat, so he is a cat. Mediatech492 (talk) 20:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of material
Drmies removed most the text expect for the sections on the Alice comedies and Oswald due to OR. I don't think its makes sense as the entire article could be considered OR. I think it is best to leave as is with the tag. I'd say a lot of the information is factual but needs cites. LittleJerry (talk) 04:30, 10 April 2013 (UTC) My point is, why not delete the entire article? Why are you leaving in the Alice and Oswald sections? It makes no sense. Those sections are no better than the rest of the article. LittleJerry (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait. You're seriously saying that it's OR and thus should stay? A completely trivial collection of detail that could only have been collected by fans and is only of interest to fans? 40k of tripe that makes a mockery out of the very concept of an encyclopedia? Drmies (talk) 03:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually the entire article needs to be rewritten. The original research is so rampant in this article that its difficult to determine what is fact and what is fiction. Someone made a claim that the Pete from the Alice comedies is the same Pete that showed up in Steamboat Willie. Theres no proof of that. They are completely different animals. They have different looks, and the Disney Company doesn't consider them the same character. But since they share the same name, somebody decided that they are going to add their own version of original research and make the link. I agree with Drmies on this.-- JOJ Hutton  19:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 September 2013
2601:0:7180:168:20A4:CAA2:570C:420 (talk) 20:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC) I wish Pete Disney is a wolf, Not a cat Because he's too ugly to be a cat.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Unfortunately, one's desires are not the basis for edits on Wikipedia. Lastly, there are reliable sources that confirm Disney says Pete's a cat. -- McDoob  AU93  20:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2013
Pete (also called Peg-Leg Pete, Big Bad Pete and Black Pete, among other names) is an anthropomorphic cartoon character created in 1925 by Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks. He is a character of The Walt Disney Company and often appears as an archnemesis and the main antagonist in Mickey Mouse universe stories. He was originally an anthropomorphic bear but with the advent of Mickey Mouse in 1928, he was defined as a cat. Pete is the oldest continuing Disney character, having debuted three years before Mickey Mouse in the cartoon Alice Solves the Puzzle (1925).

Pete has appeared in more than 40 animated short films between 1925 and 1954, having been featured in the Alice Comedies and Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoons, and later in the Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy cartoons. Pete's final appearance during this era was The Lone Chipmunks (1954), which was the final installment of a three-part Chip an' Dale series. He also appeared in the short films Mickey's Christmas Carol (1983), The Prince and the Pauper (1990), and Runaway Brain (1995). Pete has also made many appearances in Disney comics, and often appeared as Sylvester Shyster's dimwitted sidekick in the Mickey Mouse comic strip. In the Italian comic production he has come to be the central character in comics from time to time. Pete later made several appearances in television, most extensively in Goof Troop (1992–1993) where he was given more continuity, having a family and a regular job as a used car salesman. Pete also appears in House of Mouse (2001–2003) as the greedy property owner who's always trying devious ways and loop holes to get the club shut down.

Although Pete is often typecast as a villain, he has shown great versatility within the role, playing everything from a hardened criminal (The Dognapper, The Lone Chipmunks) to a legitimate authority figure (Moving Day, Donald Gets Drafted, Mr. Mouse Takes a Trip), and from a menacing trouble maker (Building a Building, Trombone Trouble) to a victim of mischief himself (Timber). On some occasions, Pete has even played a sympathetic character, all the while maintaining his underlying menacing nature. (Symphony Hour, How to Be a Detective) He seems to have lost much of his antagonistic demeanor in his Mickey Mouse Clubhouse appearances and is today a largely friendly character, although his antics can occasionally prove an annoyance.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's not clear what edit you want to make, or the sources you're providing to back up the change. -- McDoob  AU93  02:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Is the Current Pete really the same Pete from the Alice Comedies
Other than a similar name and a few fan sites, is there a direct link that correlates the earlier Pete character to the current one that Disney introduced in 1928? If not, the information should be corrected.-- JOJ Hutton  19:32, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Original Research
For quite some time now this article has mad some extraordinary claims that the Pete character from the original Alice comedies is the same as the 1928 Pete from Steamboat Willie. Despite there being no sources to confirm this claim, the information has persisted for some time. It may be time to either correct or confirm this claim with some reliable sources. JOJ Hutton  14:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I know this was two years ago, but what the hell, I'll bite. I've been doing some research on this myself lately, just to see if I could find anything on this myself, because honestly, I was pretty jarred when I saw that. A lot of animation insiders seem to pretty much agree that's the same character. I even put a citation next to the claim in the infobox to this Disney book called "Disney Trivia from the Vault: Secrets Revealed and Questions Answered" by animation historian Dave Smith, who says this in response to the question "Is Mickey's rival, Pete, a cat? In the older black-and-white cartoons with Alice and Oswald, he sometimes looks like a bear." Smith responded: "Pete is indeed meant to be a cat, at least a humanized cat. Sometimes he was drawn with a peg leg and was known as Peg Leg Pete; other times he was known as Black Pete. He was actually one of the earliest named Disney characters, debuting in the silent Alice Comedies several years before Oswald and Mickey". Since this dude is an animation historian, I'm going to assume he knows what he's talking about. Dpm12 (talk) 13:32, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Cat/Wolf/Rat
Either properly source a species (or point me towards a source in the article - I might have missed it) or you're edit warring just as badly as the other side. I see some unsourced assertions but that's it. --Neil N  talk to me 15:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * According to this book on Disney trivia, Pete is intended to be a cat, having been modified from being a bear.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:08, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And this book here, too according to the snippet books.google permits shown.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Mr Fink, thanks. As there's been ample opportunity for everyone to provide sources, I will unprotect the article. You'll add the sources? --Neil N  talk to me 15:15, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * But the problem of our IP vandal remains, who repeatedly insists that Pete is a wolf, yet can not be bothered to provide references beyond him saying he said so.--Mr Fink (talk) 23:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Semied, two months. --Neil N  talk to me 23:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure two months will be enough to discourage the vandal in question as he has been persistently doing this for over two years (to my knowledge at least). However I don't know if there is any more practical solution. Mediatech492 (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * One can set one's watch to the moment that vandal pounces on this and other favorite target pages the moment it realizes the page protection expires.--Mr Fink (talk) 19:30, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Reprotected for 1 year. I've also given the editor a six month block here. If they disrupt other pages please report to AIV or ANI, include that link, and cite block evasion. --Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 22:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Is the Big Bad Wolf is the rightful wolf, not Pete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.34.86 (talk) 18:36, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Pete as a wolf
I wish Pete is always being a wolf, But not being a real cat ("Who ever heard of a long snouted cat?!"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:989:0:3D7E:E060:37B5:40A8:5D9 (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You have two paths before you. 1) Provide sources like the other editors have and discuss what they say, not what you wish. 2) Getting blocked or having this article protected again. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:44, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2016
Please change "cat" to "wolf" because thats what Pete really is. Disney and Ub meant him to be a wolf but Disney Studios incorrectly calls him a cat.

Petermiketaylor (talk) 17:06, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ this has been discussed several times before (see above) but, despite lots of opinions and claims, no-one has come up with a Reliable source to confirm it - Arjayay (talk) 17:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * is clearly the same IP-hopping vandal who arrogantly presumes his own original research opinion magically supersedes what Disney Studios has stated about Pete a long time ago.--Mr Fink (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 18:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request
I would like this section of the article to be removed:

===Mortimer Mouse===

Pete in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse episode, Super Adventures when Pete told Megamort to get him, he shrunk, but luckily been grown to normal size.

The reason being that the statement is unsourced and poorly written. 73.21.220.82 (talk) 04:15, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  JTP  (talk • contribs) 15:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I fixed it because it clearly needed to be done.★Trekker (talk) 16:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Eric Campbell
Surely Pete is just a caricature of Charlie Chaplin's towering bully played by Eric Campbell? As this is clearly the most immediate source for the hulking stereotype, perhaps this ought to be referenced in the text. Nuttyskin (talk) 12:54, 25 December 2017 (UTC) Nuttyskin (talk) 12:54, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Find a source to support it if you think that it's true. Might be.★Trekker (talk) 14:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Eric Campbell's character and Pete are just two examples of the large blustering bully archetype. The character concept is much older than both, appearing in stage melodrama centuries before the invention of film or cartoon media. Mediatech492 (talk) 19:22, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * True, but sometimes artists take inspirations from specific examples of their time, either way, source is needed.★Trekker (talk) 19:23, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Crazy Pete
A recent editor added "Crazy Pete" as one of Pete's main aliases. While it has been used a couple of times (i. e. for Pete as a used-car or even used-tree salesman) it's not as common as Peg Leg Pete, Putrid Pete, or Black Pete, so it shouldn't be presented as one of his main aliases in the opening blurb. Ramapith (talk) 05:53, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Is "Putrid Pete" even that common?★Trekker (talk) 05:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2018
change the line "and from a menacing trouble maker (Building a Building, Trombone Trouble)" to "a menacing trouble maker (Building a Building, Trombone Trouble, Kingdom Hearts)". 24.207.109.59 (talk) 09:02, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: There is no reason to add an unreferenced aside to a video game series as an example in the lead. There is already an entire comprehensive section on this character's appearance and characterization in these video games.  The lead section is only a summary of the article contents and does not contain every significant fact (otherwise it would cease to be a summary).   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:02, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

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