Talk:Peter Bowness, Baron Bowness

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The result of the move request was: Moved &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Peter Bowness → — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:NCROY, there is no reason for this article not to include the peerage title. -Rrius (talk) 09:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak support This person could be slightly different from some others being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) as he was arguably more prominent after becoming a peer than before, but it would help to have some references to clarify this. PatGallacher (talk) 10:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support for consistency - Kittybrewster  &#9742;  10:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:PRECISION and excessive floweryness; he was made a peer for his work before he was a baron. 76.66.195.196 (talk) 04:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment interesting that the naming is more important than the data and the fact as an unreference BLP it could be deleted. billinghurst  sDrewth  03:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Starting on sourcing
I'm on a lunch break at the board meeting and started sourcing this entry - but there's a lot more to do. We say things here that surely aren't quite right - we give him the post-nomial CBE, but in the text we say that he was knighted in 1987. Both can't be right. I'll work more on this in spare moments over the next few days, including removing a lot of the text if it proves hard to source.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I think you will find that it is perfectly correct. When I knew him he was Sir Peter, with a CBE, and leader of Croydon Council. He was made a knight bachelor ostensibly as a result of being President of the Law Society - a fact which is omitted in the text of this article. Local lore had it that Mrs Thatcher was a bit miffed as she had intended honouring him with a knighthood, but the law Society's recommendation got there first. His knighthood is unconnected with being a Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, he is not a Knight Commander of that Order, therefore Sir Peter, as he then was, and Lord Bowness as he now is, is perfectly entitled to the post-nomial CBE.WelbeckLincs (talk) 12:26, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Reading the earlier remarks I have to say that Peter Bowness was well known long before he was granted a peerage. Maybe outside of the legal profession and outside of the London Borough of Croydon he may not have been a household name, but that he received a knighthood and the CBE is testament of national acknowledgement prior to receiving a peerage.

I think that most recipients of life peerages since the 1957 Act are probably well known in their local areas or professions rather than nationally, unless they were first national politicians or prominent national or international businessmen/women. WelbeckLincs (talk) 12:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)