Talk:Peter Hain

Place of Birth
Why do I think he was born in New Zealand? (I know that seems an odd question, but right up to reading this entry this week, I had believed he had been born in New Zealand (or, at least, that his parents were from New Zealand))

DrWhoFan 07:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Parents
In what country were his parents banned. What country did they flee from. Surely South Africa not Kenya - which is how it reads. Paul Beardsell 00:26, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, South Africa. I hope it's now clear in the article. --rbrwr&circ;

Mugabe

 * "Robert Mugabe, whom he helped into power, attacked him as a "racist" for backing Zimbabwe's white farmers' rights."

I am confused about this bit. Peter Hain helped Mugabe into power? &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 17:44, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Current event - Peerage Bribe
Plaid Cymru MP Elfyn Llwyd has accused Hain of offering Peter Law, the deceased independent MP for Blaenau Gwent, a peerage in order not to stand against the Labour candidate. 

Photo
Can we find a better quality, bigger photo? Matthewfelgate 18:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Edits
I made some edits to this page including adding some dividers because I thought it was rather a big bulk of text. Please refine these dividers as you see fit :) Matthewfelgate 18:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate material
I have removed the following:

"He also gave a eulogy and the funeral of a convicted and executed station bomber and has subsequently condemned station bombers in the United Kingdom. He fought against detention without trial and house arrest for terrorists, their sympathises and supporters in South Africa, but has supported those same laws in the United Kingdom against Muslims."

Both the tone and content are totally inappropriate for an encyclopedia. It tries to equate the actions of Islamic terrorists in Britain today with anti-apathied campaigners in South Africa. Quite apart from anyone's views on that, an encyclopedia entry on Peter Hain is not the place for it.

i think it show that churchill old adage is true, "Anyone who isn’ta liberal by age 20 has no heart. Anyone who isn’ta conservative by age 40 has no brain" or that the older we get the more rightwing we become, its true of most current labour figures except Tony Benn, i think a more neutral worded reflection of that does belong in the article, to juxtapose his background, suspected terrorist, Asylum seeker, ex con against his political positions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.99.176 (talk) 13:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Chelsea FC Fan?
I've proposed List_of_famous_people_who_are_fans_of_Chelsea_FC for deletion as it stands but I thought it might make sense to put that into the bios of those on the list. The list says that Hain is a fan and They Work For You seems to corroborate that. But it doesn't really seem to be appropriate or significant to put it in anywhere in this article (besides adding a trivia section which I found horrid) so I didn't add it. Can anyone else think of a way to add it in? Crito2161 02:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Lack of altruism

 * Peter Hain has a dark complexion and appears not to be a pure blooded white.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.131.19 (talk) 17:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Satsuma

 * The dark complexion is a standing joke in journalistic circles.

War Avoidance Team
I've moved this paragraph to the mainline and copyedited it - but I don't recall coming across this issue before so I've flagged it for citation. All relevant wiki material seems to be by one hand - could others verify please? Many thanks Grblundell 14:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Asylum Seeker
Did he enter the UK as an asylum-seeker? Fleeing perscution in South Africa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.104.199 (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Conspiracy
The conspiracy theory put in the main article recently needs substantiation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.51.240 (talk) 11:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems that 'the conspiracy' against Peter Hain is widespread. --Gibnews (talk) 12:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

1973
Peter Hain was given his first degree in 1973. This is two years later than expected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.232.26 (talk) 14:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hain seems to have studied mechanical engineering for two years. He then seems to have switched to politics.
 * After three years studying politics, he was then awarded the politics degree.
 * His first degree was in Economics and Political Science. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.203.240 (talk) 15:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Putney candidate
There seems to be no mention of Hain contesting Putney in the 1983 and 1987 general elections. I shall insert a sentence mentioning this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.87.244 (talk) 21:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Tatchell and Hain
I have removed the statement

for his part Tatchell attacked Hain as a "racist" for appeasement of Mugabe.[7]

as it seems to be based on what I think is a misunderstanding of the referred text - and makes a logical jump not implicit in the source.

The source given is http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4187855.ece, and I think the relevant part is

''Outraged, Mugabe flipped. He got his foreign minister to blame me for orchestrating the protest. Preposterous though that was, Mugabe convinced himself he was again the victim of a fiendish British plot. Later, on the BBC, he told an incredulous David Dimbleby that I was Tatchell’s “wife”. News to my real wife.''

And to Tatchell.

''He subsequently denounced me as a “racist” – a poignant moment indeed. With many other antiapartheid activists I had been thrilled at Mugabe’s 1980 landslide win in the country’s first democratic election, after generations of oppressive white-minority rule''

I think that Gibnews has interpreted the 'He' at the start of the third quoted paragraph as referring to Tatchell, but it seems to me from the rest of that paragraph that the 'He' in question is Mugabe. So I have reverted.

Even if it was Tatchell who called Hain a racist, I can see no evidence in the article that it was because of Hain's appeasement. So that statement must surely go too.

I have not yet found a reference to substantiate the statement, but I know that there may be one out there. But in the absence of a reference, I think it has to go.

Regards Grblundell (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That statement by Hain in 'The Times' is in itself racist. I suggest some further research to determine who called him that at the time rather than just omitting it, because someone certainly did.  I first took it to be Muggabe, but re-reading the article it made more sense that it was Tatchell - however the latter is widely reported so more research needed. --Gibnews (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

British
112.201.205.64 has made an un-sourced edit. No proof has been produced that one or both parents are "of British blood". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.93.255 (talk) 13:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Nationality
Given that he was born in Kenya and subsequently lived in South Africa, what nationality did he hold in his early years ? If he originally held Kenyan or South African nationality, when did he take out British citizenship ? RGCorris (talk) 12:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * He might have acquired British citizenship from two grand-parents born in Scotland, but the facts need careful checking.
 * He probably never held Kenyan nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.139.101.21 (talk) 15:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Phone hacking
Peter Hain has been mentioned as a possible victim of phone hacking. See the BBC on 30/11/2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.7.150 (talk) 16:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Additional info
See powerbase.info for additional information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.25.93 (talk) 11:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome
The new information about some of Peter Hain's ancestors is no doubt true, but needs citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.92.140 (talk) 17:16, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Time
It is chronologically impossible for Hain to have been framed by anyone in 1975. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.45.133 (talk) 17:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Life peerages & infoboxes
Please do come along and discuss at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom DBD 18:54, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Criminal conviction in lead
I'm happy for the criminal conviction to be in the lead, but I don't think it should be in the first sentence. I've moved it to the next paragraph. Bellowhead678 (talk) 15:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * could you reply here please? Bellowhead678 (talk) 07:10, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with that as a compromise, but I do think that there is further valuable context that it was as a result of a private prosecution, not a prosecution by the state. I'm not sure there's room to include that unless someone can come up with a particularly elegant construction. ninety:one 21:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)