Talk:Peter Oborne

Re-rating to 'Start Class'
Building on the original text, I've think I've completed the upgrade that justifies the removal of the 'little/no ref. banner.'

Therefore, I now propose a re-rating to 'Start class' at this stage, because there is clearly much more to be done.

I propose to add a section on Oborne's coupling of Postmodernist philosophy and how that has informed the political agenda of the late 20th/early 21st century, particularly as put into use by New Labour in the United Kingdom.

The core of the original article still stands - I like to make incremental changes, not radical surgery - but I made a place holder on 'Career.' For example, it makes no reference to him 'fiddling around' with a Ph.D.

My view is that the Career section can be built-on, with 'highlights' at each stage of his career ... the Muslim controversy, for example (the BNP 'thundered' about this) with completed other sections on all his TV and newspaper contributions (I think I've got all his books now ... most I've read, but need to read the 'cricket affair.')

There are many minor details to be researched, such as his college at Cambridge, which is easy but time consuming, involving, as it appears to me, a call to Cambridge ... since I can't find an easy Web ref. ... etc. etc.

I welcome reasoned discussion and good faith collaboration to do the article justice ...

Please help ...

Lomcevak (talk) 14:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Peter Oborne is surely a British journalist, just as he is a British national.
Dear Sir/Madam,

I cannot help thinking that the of the word 'English' in this article portrays Mr Oborne in a bad light. He is a British national, so could we please describe him as a British journalist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.24.227 (talk) 12:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

English/British: Whatever
I don't think anybody has a problem/issue with this ... does anybody really care ? I suspect that Oborne may if the reference to his membership of the Church of England is conveying an accurate impression.

On the other hand, I think that many people will have a problem, including me, with attempts to remove the Zimbabwe item on grounds of 'impeding his work in Africa.' The fact that his criticisms are so well known and are specifically referenced in things like British Parliamentary records means that we'd have to be living in Orwell's world of 1984 with its Ministry of Truth complete with memory holes to wind things back. Nobody will take any suggestion seriously that this Wiki entry is having any effect whatsoever on his travel/working arrangements in Africa or elsewhere.

BTW, that includes Oborne, since the last time I checked in with him (trying to wheedle a non-copyright image of him for this article) he was perfectly happy with what has been written - and that includes the referenced criticism of him.

Further attempts to delete the Zimbabwe section will be referred to administrators to deal with (and I see one has been here already).

All the best. 89.194.15.169 (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Referred to administrator
This issue has now been referred to administrator User:Asav at User_talk:Asav. A note has been left at anonymous IP 81.156.211.107, the source of the last deletion of the Zimbabwe content. 94.72.252.104 (talk) 11:50, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record: I am not an administrator, just an editor who volunteers on the OTRS team. I got alerted to the burgeoning edit war on this page, but my amendments are made as an ordinary editor. As to the disputed points:
 * British/English: British is a citizenship, English isn't. End of story.
 * The Zimabwe reverts: Peter Oborne has published a report that is critical to the current leadership. It's free for anyone to peruse, and he's a professional journalist who's well aware of the consequences such a publication may have on his prospects to visit the region. Furthermore, the information is
 * highly relevant to his work, and
 * completely verifiable and well-sourced.
 * There is absolutely no reason to delete it. Asav (talk) 13:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Very silly scuffle. In all my time on Wikipedia I have never seen a less worthy argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slint Spiderland (talk • contribs) 02:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

MSM Trivia
'Different connotations' of the brev 'MSM' should be explained, such that we, the general Wiki presence and editors are illuminated.

I've asked for explanation from one The Giant Puffin but none has been forthcoming ... therefore I have reverted this trivial 'contribution.'

Picture forthcoming BTW ... Peter is just bashfull (see that bridge over there, what'll you offer me for it ?) ... he's a Christ's man after all %-). BTW who paints our gate to Christ's at Cambs ... ? (I jumped ship ... I'm a 'fw(r)d' man these days. Dreaming spires 'n all that.

FYI all ... I will be monitoring and trying to extend this entry ... purported contributions should read all the above notes.

Fare y'all well (yes, insult to injury 'ahh aaammm a Suutthheerrnnn American,' I've read ALL of our Shakespeare ... which he admittedly, frankly, plaigerised from many other sources ... but ya've got to love the richness of Elizebethan (First go around modern) English ...

'... out damned spot ...' He !

I just need to use the phrase 'thou varlet, ... let all the contempt of Thersites fall upon thy head' (that's fresh Shakespeare BTW ... I made it up ... just like he did) now, in my general conversation, 'n my life is complete.

S'funny tho' ... not quite sure I'll work (Shakespeare) places I know ... sawdust/straw still on the floor etc. etc.

Enjoy fellow Wikis ...

ILakatos (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * This issue (the 'MSM trivia') has now been reconciled and closed through the action of Mr. Credible.


 * ILakatos (talk) 13:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Po-Mo
Can the section entitled Postmodernism be translated into English? 217.44.249.118 (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No. As you can see from the string of unexplained reverts by numerous different editors, people love that section in all its nonsensical glory. 186.41.53.39 (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)