Talk:Peter Pan (1954 musical)

Plot summary
The summary is now far too long, IMO. -- Ssilvers 19:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I have changed it. But what happened to the rest of this page? The entire second half of it is missing, yet it all still appears when I try to edit! I am not aware of having done anthing to make the rest of it disappear. AlbertSM 01:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I fixed it. The problem is that you needed a slash in your ending ref tag: < /ref > (without the spaces).  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 01:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Article title
There are a couple of different musicals based on the story of Peter Pan. While this is certainly the most notable, I'm thinking primarily of the composition by Leonard Bernstein. I think this article should be moved to something more specific to allow for the creation of Peter Pan (Bernstein musical), but I'm not sure what, exactly. Peter Pan (Jule Styne musical), comes to mind, but that's not entirely accurate. Any thoughts? &mdash; Music Maker  06:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've disambiguated these based on year of first production (1950 vs. 1954), which is how films are disambigged. - JasonAQuest (talk) 00:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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Tootles and the Indians
Why is the part about the tug of war between the Boys and the Indians over Tootles keep getting cut out.? If this is about 1954 version, anyone who's seen it knows about the tug of war, not Tootles getting carried off. I'm gonna change it again, and anyone who disagrees with me should go on Youtube and watch the whole show cuz it's on there to watch. Jedi Striker 12 March 2008, 20:00 (UTC)

Adding inline citations
Over the past week, I have added more detail to the section on Television Productions and tried to use inline footnotes to cite my references. In most cases, the references were web pages. Is there a better way to do this? I have read WP:Citeweb, but I think the footnote numbers that are produced by using (ref) and (/ref) keep the article text cleaner. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thomprod (talk) 18:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Use . Den dodge  Talk Contribs 19:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * (e/c)If you wrap the citeweb template in, the cite web stuff will be incorporated in the footnoted reference. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 19:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Dendodge and Ukexpat. I'll change them next time I have have a chance. Thomprod (talk) 18:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)



Cast changes
[User:AlbertSM],

Thank you for your recent additions to the article. It would be helpful if you could supply an Edit Summary whenever you make an edit. See Help:Edit summary.

Can you please provide references for the changes you made to the cast members table? I added the table but couldn't find references for all of the names, so your changes (if verifiable) help to improve the table. Thanks. --Thomprod (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I got them from the Internet Movie Database entry for the 1960 "Peter Pan", and I added references. I also have an old VHS copy (which I taped off the air) of that program. I recently checked it, and yes, those names are correct.

There is also a book called "The Peter Pan Chronicles" by Bruce Hanson which I have. It gives the etire stage history of "Peter Pan" and mentions cast nembers of the 1960 version, though, for some inexplicable reason, the author correctly spells Maureen Bailey's name at one point and then, for the rest of the book, spells it "Maureen Bally". AlbertSM (talk) 19:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Upgraded to C-class
Great work, everyone. I increased the assessment to C-class. The article needs a reception (critical and box office) section regarding each Broadway production and how the TV broadcasts were received. Any news on the pending Made-for-TV film? A "background" section could also be added at the beginning, briefly describing the early pantomime and other stage versions of Peter Pan, and how the musical came to be written. If a (referenced) background and reception section were added, the article would be B-class. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Musical Numbers
With this diff, User:74.34.220.240 removed details from and changed the original table format of the musical numbers list. After leaving a questioning note at User talk:74.34.220.240 and getting no response, I have restored the previous version which contains valuable, referenced details on which song-writing team composed which number. --Thomprod (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Supposedly missing scene
I took out the line, "(In a scene that has now been - it seems permanently - deleted from the videotape of the 1960 production, Liza arrives and does a ballet with the trees while Peter sleeps outside the house.)," because I bought the videotape of the broadcast and saw that the scene is all there. I realize that the scene seems to have been cut out of the 1989 broadcast—I suspect that most people are relying on the Youtube posting—but that was probably done to make room for commercials.TriniMuñoz (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Post script: Bruce Hanson's The Peter Pan Chronicles (ISBN 1-55972-160-X) confirms that the scene was cut to make room for commercials on page 248.TriniMuñoz (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Image
(Moved from article itself) How do I get the image back? It disappeared as soon as I tried to add additional information to the caption. AlbertSM (talk) 02:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I replaced the image. Looks like one closing bracket was left off in subsequent edits. --Thomprod (talk) 10:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

1960 TV Production Location
I was in the audience at the videotaping of Peter Pan in 1960. It was for NBC. I was 7. I am certain the taping took place at the Little Theater (near Times Square - where Merv Griffin taped for years) and not in Brooklyn as the article states. Children in the audience were invited to ask Mary Martin questions following the taping. So I asked her, "How can a boy be a girl?" She answered, "Oh I know lots of them." Then, all the kids were invited to come up onstage and meet her.

If I am wrong about any of this, it is because I am 60 and not because I wish to mislead anyone. :) Garrett Glaser garrettgla@mac.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garrettglaser7 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Liza?
In the synopsis, a character called Liza is mentioned, but never identified. She wasn't listed in the chart with the casts of the various performances/revivals, either. It's not until the list of roles in another section that we find out that she's the maid. It needs to be fixed to get that information into the synopsis. Ajericn (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I added a short description to her first reference in the article. --Thomprod (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Did you account for grown-up Wendy?
I see this:

"Wendy Moira Angela Darling: the eldest of the Darling children. She is a soprano."

OK, but as far as I know in the play, the grown-up Wendy is non-singing. Usually, I see a different actress playing grown-up Wendy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.47 (talk) 19:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and edited that in. By the way, it's come to my attention that Elisa Sagardia played Wendy, including grown-up, in the Cathy-Rigby-as-Peter-Pan version, with a different girl playing Jane. (The 1960 Mary Martin version had Maureen Bailey as young Wendy AND as Jane, and Peggy Maurer stepped in as grown-up Wendy.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 21:18, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Going back to Cathy Rigby version: Ignoring curtain call, the last appearance of young Wendy has her seated in a chair, then we go to (posed the same way!) grown-up Wendy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 21:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Minor characters in the Cast table
Do we need all those minor characters in the Cast table? I would remove them and just list the major characters. Other notable actors who have played these minor characters (there are not many!) can be mentioned in the narrative paragraphs of the appropriate paragraph of the Productions section. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Male Peter Pan
The article currently says "Jack Noseworthy is the only male actor to have played Peter Pan on Broadway; he was an understudy in the revue Jerome Robbins' Broadway.". Some clarification may be needed to say "...to have played Peter Pan in the Styne/Charlap musical on Broadway". In Shrek the Musical, Denny Paschal played Peter Pan originally, and in Peter and the Starcatcher, Adam Chanler-Berat played Boy (Peter). 97.82.214.237 (talk) 13:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I've removed the statement, because it was cited to IMDB, which is not a WP:RS. It's not an essential fact anyway.  If you see a reliable source that makes a clearer statement about it, feel free to re-add. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:05, 15 August 2023 (UTC)