Talk:Peter Pan in Scarlet

Continuity
I haven't read the book so I can't comment, but I find it interesting that (according to this article) Tinker Bell is still alive, because she died in the original book. -- Annie D 15:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * (Spoiler warning.) Tink shows up by a magical device late within the story, though she doesn't play any large role or have much dialogue, and she soon takes an exit with her new fairy beau, Fireflyer. See Chapters 17, 19 and 20 for details.


 * But here's an apparent continuity error: (Spoiler Warning still in effect!) Ravello, when ultimately revealing his identity, declares that Peter and the children are unable to fly without their shadows – flight being necessary for a quick escape from Neverpeak, as well as to leave Neverland – which Ravello had deviously removed earlier using a knife, and so Peter must wait for his shadow to eventually "grow back" as described in the epilogue at the end of the book. ...Yet in the original story, doesn't Peter manage to fly (sans shadow) from the nursery window and (presumably) flies back with Tink when later returning to Wendy's house to retrieve his lost shadow? ...Dunno from where the author assumed this revisionist rule of "no shadow, no flight." (/End spoilers.) 172.129.6.126 09:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

This article describes the work as "authorized" in the sense that it is so by the current "owner" of the plot and character(s). Given the dispute to ownership detailed on the Peter Pan page, perhaps this might best be re-worded. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no real dispute that Barrie gave control of the characters, etc. to GOSH. At the time Scarlet was published GOSH unquestionably had legal ownership of Peter Pan in Europe, and the fact that this has since lapsed doesn't change the first point: JMB made GOSH his proxy in terms of saying what use is "authorized" and what isn't... they just don't have the ability to say what use is legal or not. - JasonAQuest (talk) 14:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Fairy Marriage?
It states in the article that Fireflyer and Tinker Bell marry by the end of the book. Although they stay together, it does not mention marriage in my edition. However, it is so definitely stated that I wondered if there is an alternative version? Robina Fox (talk) 11:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Some editors get a little carried away in the imaginary aspect of reading fantasy fiction and insert their own interpretations, so I wouldn't assume this reflects a different edition of the book. - JasonAQuest (talk) 14:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Link disabled to hijacked site
At this time, 13-Apr-2008, the Official website is hijacked and redirects to unknown exploit site.

I Removed: http://www.peterpaninscarlet.com/ The official Peter Pan in Scarlet website

If someone notices when (if?) the site gets repaired, the link could be restored.

To check the link, you should disable javascript in your browser first, so you don't get re-directed. -Kid Bugs 03:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Update: Looks like the official site has been repaired. Somebody else re-enabled the linkage, no note in the History but it looks okay.Kid Bugs (talk) 13:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyright infringement
On December 27, 2008, this article was tagged as a copyright infringement and listed at Copyright problems/2008 December 27. The infringement seems to be reversed. The wayback machine does not list an archive for the site, here, which suggests it is relatively recent. Also, it incorporates text that is also present in our article Peter Pan. The section tagged was first introduced onto Wikipedia here, in 2006. There are substantial enough differences that it obviously was not pasted. But, tellingly, some of the other material included in that external site, including such verbatim sentences as "Peter Pan peanut butter was renamed in 1928, and features a silhouette of him on the label." did not show up on Wikipedia until 2008, here. At that point, we also had a section in Peter Pan called "importance", which began "Peter is the most important creature in Neverland. He has an effect on the whole island when he is there." This sentence is not only duplicated in that external site, but so is the header: "Importance Peter is the most important creature in Neverland. He has an effect on the whole island when he is there." I do not believe that Wikipedia has infringed on this webmaster. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That site is obviously copyvio-ing Wikipedia, using our text for search engine spamming, with someone probably posting "notices" here for the same purpose. I've munged the URL in the above link, to avoid giving them any possible benefit from being mentioned here. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Original research
I've removed two sections as they appear to be original research. For the benefit of anyone who wishes to re-add aspects of it with reliable sources, I've pasted the text below. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:56, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

==Themes== Peter Pan in Scarlet is centred on the idea of "clothes making the man". This theme first appears when the adult Darlings don their children's clothing in order to become children themselves. (Having only daughters, Tootles must wear a dress and becomes a girl.) Later, Peter Pan discovers Captain Hook's second-best coat. When Peter puts it on, he is transformed into a form of Captain Hook, growing long dark curls and inheriting his bad temper. Only when Peter removes the coat does he become himself again. Ravello, clad in unravelling clothes, is really Hook. When he puts on Hook's second-best coat, he is hardened and returns to the form of Captain Hook.

Another theme that is stressed in the novel is "time passing where no time should have passed". In Neverland, the land of summertime, it has turned autumnal and scarlet. This is supposedly due to Hook's poison, but the afterword suggests that the change may have been caused by the war tearing holes in the veil that separates the island from the real world. For a few ticks, time passed in Neverland and caused it to age. Ravello was exposed to forbidden time when he was trapped inside the crocodile. he was forced to live within a "crocodile tomb", causing him to become a living rag.

Further themes are mother-love, healing, and growing up.

==Continuity with Peter and Wendy== In the book it states that characters require a shadow to fly. However, in the original book when Peter's shadow is taken from him in the Darling home, he is able to fly away from the house to escape being caught, and later return to collect the shadow back. (The original book states that no one can fly until he has had the fairy dust sprinkled on him. Nothing is said about needing to have one's shadow in order to fly.)

The original novel contains an epilogue in which Peter meets the grown-up Wendy and takes her daughter Jane to Neverland. In the sequel this second meeting is never referred to; indeed, it is mentioned that Jane has never met Peter Pan and thinks of Neverland as "just a bedtime story". It can therefore be assumed that Peter Pan in Scarlet takes place before this epilogue which means that Michael may have been killed in World War I.

Peter Pan in Scarlet directly contradicts another of Barrie's works, the short story/speech titled Jas Hook at Eton, which confirmed that Hook was raised not by a neglectful mother but by his doting aunt, who spoke of him as though he could do no wrong. This carries over into Peter and Wendy, where Hook and the other pirates are shown to be strongly reverent and respectful of mothers, while Peter seems to hate all mothers save Wendy, even forbidding the subject of mothers until her arrival. In Peter Pan and Scarlet, the exact opposite is stated.