Talk:Peter Steele/Archive 1

Peter Steele Links
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=73285 http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=74521 http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=75916 http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=76002 --Teddypommpomm 08:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Icelandic-American
Why is this tagged as Icelandic-American? Is there any verification for this or is it just based of his constant usage of the Vinnland logo? Sammayel 00:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed the tag. Although he apparently has Icelandic heritige, it would be better to find a good source before putting it back up. --Teddypommpomm 08:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Former bands
I could swear that I've seen Peter Steele in a band called Repulsion at Zone DK, NYC....October of 1990, I think. Is there any confirmation of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.57.235 (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You did. Repulsion was a name Type O Negative used before settling on Type O. Obviously they could not use the name as there was already a Death Metal band called Repulsion. They also used Sub Zero as a name & even were tattooed with the logo (the O with a negative symbol inside it) before finding out that there was already a hardcore band from NY with the name.--Hndsmepete (talk) 23:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Picture
I just uploaded a pic that is of Peter, at the last show I attended in Dallas, TX. I don't know who is to remove the other pic of Kenny, the guitarist/vocalist of Type O, mistakenly placed where Peter's should be in the sidebox? Thanks.

Somebody put a picture of Kenny, the band's guitarist, on the upper right-hand corner of this page. I have a Picture of Peter Steele somewhere in my files, I'll see if I can upload it. Thanks.&lt;span style=&quot;font family:ArialNarrow;color:green&quot;&gt;Careiter&lt;/span&gt; (talk) 02:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Playgirl inaccuracies
The article seems to contradict http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playgirl on a couple of statements:

- "Steele was Playgirl's first model to appear with an erection. Until that issue, all nude male models in PlayGirl were in a flaccid state." According to the Playgirl article, there was an erection already in 1980.

- "After finding out via bandmate Kenny Hickey's contacts that only 23% of the magazine subscribers were female" There is no citation of this, and the "23%" seems to contradict the numbers suggested in the Playgirl article.

129.240.48.161 (talk) 12:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

There hasnt been an official statement yet, so it shouldnt be said that hes dead already. Right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MUCHERS22 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Possible Death
Lots of reports that Peter has died today from heart failure.

http://knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=7497 http://www.mixxbuzzers.com/1062/showbiz-news-peter-steele-death-news/

Too premature for main article, but I am guessing something more substantial will surface shortly.

I'm new at this, so sorry if I am not following the rules here.

Baronvf (talk) 07:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)baronvf


 * No, noting it on talk is precisely the right thing to do :-) I was about to come here and do the same ... - David Gerard (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The website for rock radio station KNAC.com is reporting that they have been able to confirm “according to a source from within the band” that Peter Steele has indeed passed away from heart failure at age 48. They add that the singer was apparently ill for a few days prior to his death.....jrmcneely

Blabbermouth (press/news arm of Roadrunner Records, the band's former label) is reporting it as confirmed firsthand by Josh Silver, the band's keyboardist. http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=138519 99.2.140.137 (talk) 12:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, I don't think this is a joke, CBS News reported on Peter Steele's death. It doesn't say terribly much, but perhaps it will be of some use in verifying all of this. RIP Peter Steele! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/15/entertainment/main6399206.shtml --74.94.131.53 (talk) 19:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

NO he hasnt died. The roadrunner site has said it was a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.41.112 (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The joke death was five years ago. It was an April Fool's joke in '05. Check the dates of articles before you comment on them. 141.218.221.19 (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Peter Steele's death is not officially confirmed
If you are going to put up facts on Wikipedia, then do it, but no rumours or no official confirmation has been accordning to Peter Steele's death. The only confirmation is a web site with so called written reply from the keyboardist in Type O Negative, that is not official statements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.151.196 (talk) 13:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it has been confirmed - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/15/entertainment/main6399206.shtml --67.150.86.219 (talk) 06:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Cause of death
Can we please stop with the speculation? Until an autopsy has been performed, nothing is confirmed. Even if the manager thinks his heart just stopped, that is not a fact. Nymf hideliho! 22:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone? Nymf hideliho! 14:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * HELLO? Its still blank. All it says is he died. Pete Steele is just Alive. We're going to need more than that. --98.232.188.173 (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Official site has been updated.
Yes, he did die recently!45g (talk) 16:16, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Gee, you don't say? 71.116.54.77 (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Steele's height?
What is this supposed to mean: "At 24' 8" (751.84 cm), Peter's low, bass heavy voice is one of the most recognizable features in Type O Negative's music."

Is it Steeles height? 7 and a half meters?!

24 foot 8 - I LOLed

What about talking in world-wide understandable measures like meters and centimeters?--87.178.75.66 (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The editors point was that someone took his height in inches and feet and translated it incorrectly in metrics, making their stated height vastly improbable. He was tall, I met him once, and he was head and shoulders taller than me and I'm 6' tall, but I doubt he was 751.84 cm or 24' 8" tall lol. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Peter was likely no more than 6'7", he has stated in various interviews several different heights. He once said he was as low as 6'3", 6'6", 6'6.25" specifically, 2 meters specifically (6'6.75"), 6'7" on their website, and 6'8" in the article linked for citation, which is the first time I ever saw him refer to himself as 6'8". I have heard a few 3rd parties refer to him as 6'8" but this is likely because most people think they are 1" to 2" taller than they actually are. I don't think there's any real reason to use a citation for his height and it should be listed at the commonly used 6'7". —Preceding unsigned comment added by EWAShock (talk • contribs) 20:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Standing face to face with him after a concert, once, I can say that he a smidge shorter I am, and I am 6'6" tall. 209.189.238.190 (talk) 08:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Lead paragraph too short?
On April 16 [], User Thumperward (talk|contribs) added the {tooshort} template in a minor edit indicating that the lead paragraph does not adequately summarize the contents of the article. I've reviewed the lead paragraph and the article, and I disagree and have removed the template. The lead paragraph is well-referenced and I feel it summarizes the major points of the article. I would be willing to help expand the lead paragraph, but would like to request input and specific examples from any users who feel the lead inadequately summarizes the article and can cite an example or a guideline this article doesn't follow. Clearly, it doesn't include all of the points made in the article, but it is an overview of the subject's history and quickly establishes his identity and notability. Other than perhaps a count of the number of albums between (year range) that could be added, I'm not sure which topics specifically are not adequately summarized. Anything else strike you as particularly important that it deserves to be in the lead paragraph? Anyone? I do think it complies with the guideline WP:Lead_section: one or two paragraphs for an article up to 15,000 characters. If the article were longer, I might agree, but this article is on the order of 4000 characters. One paragraph should be sufficient. It's not designed to include the history of Type O Negative. Xblkx (talk) 03:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that the introduction includes enough information. DANZIG666 (talk) 16:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I also agree. Considering the matter resolved. Jason Quinn (talk) 17:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Stalin connection
I would seriously have to question this Bathory (talk) 10:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Peter was more than likely making a joke when he said that. I'll try and find a Stalin expert Theladfromtheeast (talk) 17:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's just not true. I was reading an old interview I found in my room the other day, where he says Rasputin was his cousin. Peter liked to joke around. I'm gonna finally remove it now Bathory (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Death
I think it's highly inappropriate that his epitaph should contain a lot of "deathbed conversion" nonsense (20% of the main article). Steele was always an atheist and very clear and concise about it. Thet0rp (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what the phrase "though Adolf was a Catholic himself" has to do with Peter Steele's statements about the afterlife, and providing half a dozen links to a site attempting to connect Hitler with the Catholic Church seems inappropriate for the scope of this article. I recommend that the phrase and the links be removed.96.19.20.74 (talk) 13:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Just to remind everybody that Peter "faked" his own death in 2005 as a publicity stunt, however judging by the news reports i have seen so far it seems that Peter has passed away from heart failure...kerrang news is probably the most respectable source (!) and they have advised they will publish further details as soon as they have them.Lillitheve1981 (talk) 11:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe it. This is the boy who keeps crying wolf. Nutmegger (talk) 13:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, he is dead. http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.Net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=138586 64.180.182.208 (talk) 07:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it might be a hoax, but not likely. I would like to mention though that the band's website still shows the dates for their October tour, and Pete's biography on the site doesn't say that he is dead. This really isn't anything to go by, but I thought I would share it. voodoowitchdr- April 16, 2010 12:49 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voodoowitchdr (talk • contribs) 16:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we have to accept that this isnt a hoax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MUCHERS22 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

He is almost assuredly still alive, hung, and on coke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.201.118.157 (talk) 03:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Good article nominee candidate?
I am considering nominating this article as a good article candidate. Seems like it might pass the good article criteria. Comments? Objections? Jason Quinn (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Voice type
If I find out who keeps changing the information to "tenor vocals" I will pluck their eyes out. Figuratively speaking of course. Sherick (talk) 06:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

--he is a tenor though--thepirateking (talk) 06:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

No Sherick (talk) 06:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes you have no proof--thepirateking (talk) 06:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

You are all wrong. There are at least 4-5 sources backing up the fact his voice type is bass-baritone. Please do not change it again. Tribal44 (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2011 (UTC)Tribal44

Genitalia
"He also has an extremely large penis." --this sounds like it written by the man himself, or at least a female admirer. --84.71.189.135 17:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Peter's not dead...at least not yet. He keeps living his life like he does he will be soon. And, If you knew him at all you would know that he would never brag about the size of his penis. On the contrary, he is a very modest man.

Rubbish! he's a braggart if ever there was one. i'm only a casual observer of his music, but i recall many instances of him talking about having a big knob in interviews.. here's a recent link http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=67303 220.233.174.111 07:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)alexwank

Go to yahoo.com and look up peter steele images and see for yourself. He is huge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.56.135.2 (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. He's not HUGE, though, but definitely large. --98.232.188.173 (talk) 16:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

regardless of his size, which is more length than width, it is a very beautiful penis and his playgirl layout was awesome, as for him being modest, well doesn't the posing for playgirl tell you he wasn't afraid to show what he was packing, but from my personal experiences with him, and i have met him twice, so the only reference i got is myself and my proof is my playgirl centerfold picture of him holding on to his junk signed by him, i did notice he got a little nervous,when i slid him that picture to sign, but he neatly signed it P Steele w/ his trademark type o negative symbol after his name, most of my autographs from him were just a scribble of p-s-t-e-e-l-e and a type o symbol, maybe he was nervous because he was signing a naked picture of himself and giving back to a 17 year old girl, that would be considered illegal in so many ways, but maybe he was proud of a 17 year old girl lusting after him since he was 34 @ the time of the signing, and maybe that is why he autographed it so legibly, either way we all have times when we are modest and there are times when we brag about things that we are very proud of, and if i was Peter i would brag about myself too, it took him a lot of years of working out to get that gorgeous body @ the age of 33 to pose for those pictures and it takes some balls to be photographed nude, so in my mind he had the right to be a braggartLizziemoon13 (talk) 08:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Peter Steele's death
What happened to his date of death, or anything else related to his death for that matter? (talk)15:39, 17 October 2011

- Exactly what I was thinking, everything related to his death is gone from the page, any mention what so ever, the only reference to his death is on the Type O Negative wikipage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.98.201.211 (talk) 23:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure why the user removed the info, either, so I restored it. CarbonX (talk) 06:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Bi-polar
I think it is importaint to say that Peter Steele is bipolar, or officially: manic depressed. This is a condition that you are born with. So in the text it is stated that he is chronically depressed. But in an interview peter has stated to be bipolar. And not just depressed. he appeared to have had a psychose also at one time due to this in which he thought he was John Candy. Look up manic depression if you want to know what that is. Many artists have this condition and it is uncurable but can be treated with lithium. It might also explain why he gained weight during one time, because in those days they did not have the right medicine, and later he lost the weight again due to invention of a new medicine. Also his former cocaine addiction is in a different light if you understand that it has a different effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.87.139.107 (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The medical "information" in this post is only half truth. Read bipolar disorder for better quality information, or contact a professional. Jason Quinn (talk) 23:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I have found an interview where Peter says that he is bipolar and included it in the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 17:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it's worth pointing out that the modern term for the psychiatric condition formerly known as "Manic Depression" is, i believe, now officially called Bi-Polar disorder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.145.154 (talk) 01:52, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know
It seems odd that is the only page that has a retraction. Unless it is a weird scam for the new album. At the same time the forums of the official site have been erased, and all other sites Yahoo have him listed as dead. Also the crappyness of the plaque makes it look less like aplanned joke and more like a real thing. Hopfully the mystery will be solved soon.

Removed mention about him holding Paul McCartney as a hero; not relevant or encyclopedic. Also removed the following:
 * "He has been described as a possible Raven from Snow Crash."

What exactly does that mean? Pacian 10:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Isn't peter 6' 8". Can someone change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.56.135.2 (talk) 18:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

it keeps going back and forth that he died... 10 mins ago it said he was dead, now hes alive... i would just wait till the morning... he did this in 95 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.159.254 (talk) 06:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Dude is definitely alive. Just saw him in Ft Greene, Brooklyn (DeKalb Ave) 25 minutes ago. Steele is known for pulling these "I'm dead" stunts every few years, just for shits and giggles. Wait until you get an official death certificate. One from the coroner, NOT from the band!!!! Nutmegger (talk) 13:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion he's alive and this was a stunt. Note the April 2011 photo at the one-year anniversary point with all the staged flowers and other things to hide the headstone: http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Peter-Grave-Halloween-2010.jpg  Compare with the less-adorned version from another fan also April 2011:  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yzC07eZPoeo/Tam9XVOPOEI/AAAAAAAAFQ4/waxpIFDU-40/s400/RIP%2BPS%2B04142011b.jpg  Note the birth/death dates--this would be his parents' gravesite rather than his own. There are no photos of the death certificate available on the Internet. There are no photos that claim to be of his coffin. The service was made private by his family so there were no outside witnesses. The Wayback Machine records a similar stunt from 2005: http://web.archive.org/web/20050513224527/http://www.typeonegative.net/ Anonymous2016 (talk) 05:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Peter's real birthname
i have been researching the real name of this man for a couple of hours today and found that most info sites and articles about his death state that his real name was Petrus T. Ratajczyk, including the piece written by Jon Wiederhorn in Revolver magazine #94 January/February 2011 "Fallen Heros" issue, i myself have been a fan of Type O Negative and in love with Peter Steele for over half my life now, i want to make sure we do right by him and give the correct information about his real name to current and future fans, i got a little ticked off because the last time i was reading about peter here on wikipedia his birthname was stated as Petrus, just to look it up today and find that someone had changed it to Peter, yes we all know him as Peter, i still refer to him as Peter when i talk about him, but it does not change what his real name was, even in the reference site used as the source for his name information "BLABBERMOUTH.NET - TYPE O NEGATIVE Keyboardist Confirms PETER STEELE's Death". Roadrunnerrecords.com. Retrieved 2010-04-15, the very first reference listed on his wikipedia page, states that his birthname was Petrus, so i took it upon myself to edit his page & change his birthname to what it really is, so if it is alrite with everyone else, can we please leave his name as is from now on?Lizziemoon13 (talk) 07:12, 9 June 2011

I'm confused. His death certificate states it is "Petrus"; why don't we do him justice and give him back his birthright as a person, and not an entertainer? ?Endobiont


 * Religion - there is no such thing as Russian Orthodox Catholic - russian orthodox and catholic are two different churches! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.163.113 (talk) 13:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Note from lurker: Presumably "Russian Orthodox Catholic" should have read "Eastern Rite Catholic". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.77.4.129 (talk) 15:17, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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Peter steele is a fictional character?
Is peter steele a fictional character? There is no way that Petrus Ratajczyk wrote every part in every song that type o negative has performed. Drummers get writing credits for the small drum fills they contribute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.40.207.100 (talk) 15:04, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Peter Steele's Death Was Not an Aortic Aneurysm
Hello everyone,

I wanted to leave a post regarding my (second) correction to Peter's death. My first correction was reverted back by an anonymous user. I have come back today to revert the changes that I have made once again, with further sources. I want to further add that the Estate of Peter Steele has spoken out on their Official Facebook page correcting the misinformation that he died of heart failure, heart attack, or an aortic aneurysm. This page also uploads exclusive family photos of Peter Steele, and occasionally sells/conducts giveaways of legitimate and exclusive Type O Negative and Carnivore merchandise. The flu symptoms that Peter Steele dealt with leading up to his death, was sepsis caused by untreated diverticulitis. I ask that you please let my correction remain, for the sake of Peter's family and for the sake of those wishing to learn about his legacy. Thank you.Inbaeda (talk) 09:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Bass or bass-baritone?
There has been disagreement over whether Peter Steele is a bass or a bass-baritone, so I'm going to expand on the fact that none of the five sources in the article purporting him to be a "bass-baritone" actually say he is a "bass-baritone". None of them use the term "bass-baritone". They only call him a "baritone".


 * - "Outer Borough baritone"
 * - "deep, baritone vocals"
 * - "dramatic baritone voice"
 * - "deep baritone register"
 * - "trademark baritone growl"

Steele has been described as a bass in the sources I added (two of which I found in the article List of basses in non-classical music, which includes Steele) and he has been described as a baritone in other sources. Again, however, he has not been explicitly described as a "bass-baritone" in the sources used. I am not opposed to referring to him as a bass and a baritone in the lead because those descriptions are supported by the sources. But it is inaccurate to call him a "bass-baritone" with the existing sources. Bluerules (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Judging by the available recordings, musicology would classify Steele as singing in the baritone range. Do 'classical music' categories apply? I don't know. But when those categories are put to use they should match the phenomenon. We'll probably never know whether Peter Steele actually was a 'bass' or 'baritone', unless he had his vocal apparatus examined by a specialist. There are many factors. (It's not all about the 'vocal cords'). He surely was one of the lowest sounding singers in the whole 'modern popular music' entertainment industry. From his music we can deduce quite easily, that the sources are wrong naming him a bass. Knowing Peter's voice, the 'bass'-classification immediately struck me as being false, when I read the article's intro. I love his voice and his singing. Why make it something it ain't? Can we make up the info and name him a baritone or bass-baritone? No! If we had the sources, probably yes. But I don't, so I'd prefer to re-formulate the respective passage pertaining to his vocal range on the lines of: 'unconventionally low singing-voice often described as bass or baritone'.
 * Why bother at all?
 * Not only will future kids (or people in general), curious about Peter's life and work, be misled. They then might even be tempted to take the label 'bass' to other low-singing artists, aswell. Let's keep misinformation at the lowest possible 'bass'-level! Korinthus (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)