Talk:PewDiePie vs T-Series/Archive 1

Unexplained addition of full stop
Why was this page moved? This article uses British English and the British custom is to not put the period after shortened words if the last letter of the shortened word is the same as in the long word. Ref1 Ref2. if it ain't broke, don't fix it  Nixinova   T   C  02:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've moved the page back to it's full-stop–less name. Please discuss here if you disagree with this change.  Nixinova   T   C  04:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2019
I would like to have the power to edit this article because I would like to put down more content about this article. I believe that in the PewDiePie support section it should mention that Mr. Beast was the catlyst for the subscribe to PewDiePie movement and the leading cause of the attention that content creators have given him in this "battle" I also believe more content could be added about the other supporters and to other parts of the article like the Other section could be improved on and a better stream could be choosen because FlareTV has shown bias towards the PewDiePie camp(i.e holding the record for most repeats of Bitch Lasagna). While a stream like the SocialBlade stream has had more content and has not shown bias towards either side. Thank you. BMO4744 (talk) 21:17, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DannyS712 (talk) 21:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Is this a trick for PewDiePie to gain even more REAL subscribers?
I noticed that T-Series and PewDiePie had been only 100,000-300,000 subscribers apart for months, but never passed each other. It makes me think it could be intentional to trick people into subscribing to PewDiePie to prevent T-Series from winning. So maybe PewDiePie or someone bought subscribers for T-Series just to trick people into subscribing to PewDiePie so PewDiePie would gain REAL subscribers and not fake bought subscribers who wouldn't watch videos. The Channel of Random (talk) 23:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This talk page is for discussing the article not the subject.  Nixinova   T   C  02:25, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Sub count stream change
The FlareTV stream is very biased towards PewDiePie and I am thinking about changing it to something more neutral. I believe the Socialblade stream would be more fitting. If you oppose or have another stream that would be better please commentBMO4744 (talk) 15:43, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The original FlareTV stream was taken down because of copyright issues (which have since been resolved). I don't think it's even known who owns that channel, it just got very popular. I put a link to the Social Blade stream because it's more formal live subscription count. FallingGravity 19:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019
It says t series has 140 million subs. Obviously untrue, they are still neck and neck with pewds 84 mil. 47.7.220.20 (talk) 05:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅  Cards84664  (talk) 14:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Formality
The article should be more formal. Introducing the article by saying "PewDiePie vs T-Series is a competition" sounds casual as it was never official. Neither side officially challenged the other as they would in an organized competition. T-Series simply gained subscribers and approached PewDiePie's sub count. This is what I think would be a better way to begin the article:

"T-Series has been projected to surpass PewDiePie in subscribers and become the most-subscribed channel on the video-sharing website, YouTube."

The first section is also informal due to its title, "Belligerents". "Belligerent" is a term only formally used in the context of war and they are recognized under international law which does not apply to either channel. I propose that the section instead be called "Channels involved".0737290632t2x273n (talk) 15:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

promoters of Pewdiepie
Is it possible to have a list of all the youtubers that promoted Pewdiepie and every promotion that happened outside of youtube? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeezuschrist (talk • contribs) 23:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

If they're mentioned in reliable sources, yes.  Nixinova   T   C  07:27, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Even if there're mentioned in RS, they still need to be notable. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 16:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

I’d like to add some stuff relating to reasons why people are subscribing to PewDiePie and tseries, providing additional depth to the article Hotdogcannon (talk) 16:34, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 16:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2019
My request is that captainspaklez be recognised as a major youtuber who helped pewdiepie in his time of need voicing his dedication to the cause.

EVIDENCE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFGViT9Dji8 HazWolfman (talk) 19:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. w umbolo   ^^^  19:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Pewds losing time
PewDiePie lost to T-Series between 9:35 & 10:02 AM EST on Feb 19th, '19. DynV (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

PewDiePie lost to T-series between 9:10 & 9:15 PM UCT on Feb 22nd, '19.


 * These temporary bumps don't have to be mentioned in the article unless they are reported in reliable sources. w umbolo   ^^^  21:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019
There need to be a part added where it explains that tseries overtook pewdiepie briefly after an inactive sub purge took away 20,000 of pewdiepies subs, leaving tseries with a 2,000 subgap over pewdiepie.

Videos showing T-series passing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGflqCKphxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJyAB6eF2U0&feature=youtu.be&t=75

Videos showing Tseries ahead of pewdiepie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Ur7srtuCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXheExtu9bY Clonlars (talk) 22:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done See the last line of the lead. &#160; Discant  X  04:10, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Thought of something to add to the article
Maybe this article could also mention the references Jaiden Animations put in YouTube Rewind 2018 (such as PewDiePie's chair and the "Sub 2 P" on the shelf in the background). VibeScepter (talk) (contributions) 10:49, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

✅ w umbolo   ^^^  11:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

AT ONE POINT IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE 2000 MILLION PEOPLE IN INDIA PLZ FIX DetroitLions090 (talk) 01:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Not true. It says "increase from 20 million Indians with Internet access in 2000 to 560 million in 2018." --Distelfinck (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Meme Review
Musk and Roiland didn't mention T-Series in their segment of Meme Review. Unless they reveal that they were trying to help PewDiePie stay ahead of T-Series, I believe that the information about Meme Review should be moved to the section about PewDiePie's reactions or moved entirely to the article on PewDiePie. w umbolo  ^^^  21:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * has removed the content. I agree that it doesn't belong here as long as there is no actual connection to the fight with T-Series reported in WP:RS. Further, PewDiePie doesn't talk/complain about T-Series in the Meme Review. w umbolo   ^^^  21:05, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2019
The last sentence of the lead detailing the very brief takeover should have the time changed from 6:04 EST to 4:04 EST. This time is based off of multiple screenshots/recordings of the audit. Here is one screenshot: https://prnt.sc/moy6b0 TB9877 (talk) 04:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: this request is no longer valid as the lead section no longer contains any information about this w umbolo   ^^^  10:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2019
On February 22, 2019, T-Series took over PewDiePie for approximately 10 minutes due to a YouTube subscriber audit. Sweden fox (talk) 03:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. w umbolo   ^^^  10:13, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I actually found a source from Mashable that covers this event. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  19:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2019
YouTuber Jaiden Animations, however, had contributed to the video, and her animation includes several hidden icons and objects related to PewDiePie.[24] PLease note the the link to "Jaiden Animations" is invalid and leads the reader to a page stating "		The article that you're looking for doesn't exist. " Kstorm16 (talk) 11:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)kstorm16
 * Please see WP:REDLINK. NiciVampireHeart 12:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Response section is incomplete
PewDiePie uploads videos in "response" to T-Series all the time, mostly it's just the title and a short remark at the beginning. But since the "I might as well upload this since we are losing" video is listed, should maybe the others be listed as well? So there are at least 9 additional videos about it or mentioning it, with similar relevance to the topic as the "since we are losing" video. Should they all be in the article? I don't think that's useful, he'll continue to make one of these every few days anyway. Fabian42 (talk) 16:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "THIS CHANNEL WILL OVERTAKE PEWDIEPIE! […]" (already listed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzBsKbPkHA
 * "MY ONLY HOPE TO STOP T SERIES... […]" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd8Yg7wRX7c
 * "TSERIES EXPOSED? 📰 PEW NEWS📰": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Zz2OTAl7o
 * "bitch lasagna" (already listed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dh-RL__uN4
 * "Reacting to YouTubers Reacting to Pewdiepie vs 🅱Series": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFGViT9Dji8
 * "The secret to STOP 🅱️Series!!! 🙌 BOOK REVIEW 🙌": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoRlp3--ckU
 * "This is getting out of control...": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8L-LjWHpjw
 * "Raising money for Indian 9 year olds. […]" (already listed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuMzBTDz9DI
 * "DON'T Subscribe to Pewdiepie": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHxkZdz4HA
 * "Playing Fortnite to stop Tseries (Im desperate)" (already listed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71FLPvjHVj0
 * "My secret mission to stop Tseries... (Iceland Vlog)": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSLNCXgRcSE
 * "Playing Minecraft Christian Servers to STOP TSERIES" (already listed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl8cagt9gK0
 * "We lost?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F882_Ih61Sc
 * "Show this video to tseries": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-_K-S10Ccg&t=69s


 * We should try to only include what is reported in a reliable source and cite it. I agree that a general statement about his videos should be enough. w umbolo   ^^^  17:05, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi Protected edit request 2nd march 2019
After the text "A number of PewDiePie's fans and supporters have also been making anti-Indian remarks and using racial slurs."

It would be good to mention Pewdiepie's response, because I feel otherwise it seems a bit biased:

"You've probably seen these livestreams where it's pewdiepie vs t-series. But there's a part of this I really don't like. And it's a shame because it isn't the vast majority of people. But sometimes, in these comments (and you guys have told me this as well), you see comments such as fuck indians or fuck indians c-word. Just really distasteful and unnecessary comments. And I obviously make Indian jokes and stuff like that. But I do that of all countries and this not what I'm about and I know my fanbase isn't about this either."

A shortened version of this should be included in the article.

Evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8L-LjWHpjw

Timestap - 2:40

By the way, pewdiepie's own video where he says his response is a reliable source, because it is a Primary source where he says his statement on camera.


 * Thanks for the suggestion. This is already mentioned in the section about PewDiePie's response. However, I wouldn't be opposed to having something like "... which PewDiePie has condemned" with a link to the section below elaborating on it. w umbolo   ^^^  22:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Did you know that…
PewDiePie lost 20,000 subs one time, dropping him below T-series, which broke his streak for longest time most subbed channel... The proof video ID is: NOZ25E9vUc0 -24.180.87.149 (talk) 14:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I think the title "Subscribe to PewDiePie" (quote marks included) fits better this article
Reasoning:

1. It's nowhere near factual "PewDiePie VS T-Series" provided neither of them have, not jokingly, declare themselves in a competition for subscribers. Moreover, this has all the features of an organized movement- subscribers have made more echo about the issue, being guided by a reason (of sorts) and having a fixed goal (keeping PewDiePie as the most subscribed YouTube channel).

2. I think the format "X vs Y" doesn't respect the principle of Neutral Point of View, since the format is explicitly to convey a protagonist dueling an opponent. In this case, "PewDiePie vs T-Series" not only reflects the preference of the editors, but their geographical location (not so accurately but still) as well.

Eligio Budde (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * "Champion vs challenger" is a fine and neutral format. w umbolo   ^^^  09:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The current name of this article is much more neutral than what you're suggesting.  Nixinova   T   C  19:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

"he currently has a small team of editors working on his videos." edit request
small team here could be misleading and not specific, he currently has two editors working for him, Brad & Sieve (source: 1 - pewdipie comments in one of his recent videos. 2 - social media of editors - Brad: https://twitter.com/buffwoto

Sive (aka black Brad, also known as Brad #2): BlackWOTO (@sivemorten) | Twitter ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B10111 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 21 February 2019 (UTC).
 * I removed that yesterday.  Nixinova   T   C  19:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)