Talk:Phantasmagoria (poem)

Spelling of Trysting/Trystyng
My library's copy of "The Humorous Verse of Lewis Carroll" (1933, Macmillan, as reprinted by Dover) has the spelling as "Trystyng", not "Trysting". Which spelling is correct?

Update: I see that Ewulp has changed the spelling from Trysting to Trystyng. Greg (talk) 02:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (ec) It looks like you're correct about this; the 1883 edition of Rhyme? And Reason? also spells it "trystyng". Ewulp (talk) 02:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Publication history

 * 3.2 Phantasmagoria (poem) (1883)
 * (quote) This is puzzling as many library records for Phantasmagoria and Other Poems list the four purportedly original poems. Yet the statement is not reprinted from the 1869 first edition of Phantasmagoria and Other Poems, if "The Hunting of the Snark" was first published in 1876 as commonly stated.

The bold observation is true. See the corresponding 1869 statement (at HathiTrust). One aspect of the puzzle --only-- is that the 1883 Rhyme? collection is not a re-issue of the 1869 Phantasmagoria coll.; and they both differ in selection of poems from the 1911 Phantasmagoria coll., whose copyright page states "first published in 1869" (viewed as Project Gutenberg #651; 1911 Contents list).

Phantasmagoria, first published in the 1869 collection, is the first poem in all three collections.

Perhaps we should list the 1869 contents (at HathiTrust) as well as the 1883 contents. --P64 (talk) 23:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Below are the Contents of the 1869 collection, 26 main listings only (transcribed from e-copy at HathiTrust pp. vii-viii) and the 1883 collection, 17 main listings only (transcribed from e-copy at HathiTrust pp. xi-xii). Check marks common contents (10). --P64 (talk) 00:30, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Phantasmagoria and Other Poems (1869)
--first publication of the title poem and six others (†); unillustrated
 * Part I (13)
 * Phantasmagoria, in Seven Cantos †
 * [listed by number, name, page]


 * A Valentine †
 * A Sea Dirge
 * Ye Carpette Knyghte
 * Hiawatha's Photographing
 * The Lang Coortin'
 * Melancholetta
 * The Three Voices
 * A Double Acrostic †
 * Size and Tears
 * Poeta Fit, non Nascitur
 * Atalanta in Camden Town
 * The Elections to the Hebdomadal Council
 * Part II (13)
 * ❌ The Valley of the Shadow of Death †
 * ❌ Beatrice
 * Lines †
 * ❌ The Path of Roses
 * ❌ The Sailor's Wife
 * ❌ Stolen Waters
 * Stanzas for Music †
 * ❌ Solitude
 * ❌ Only a Woman's Hair
 * ❌ Three Sunsets
 * Christmas Greetings †
 * ❌ After Three Days
 * ❌ Faces in the Fire

† published for the first time here (source)

common contents (11) of the 1869 and 1883 collections

❌ common contents (10) of the 1869 and the 1898 Three Sunsets and Other Poems (15 poems), whose preface begins "Nearly the whole of this volume is a reprint of the serious portion of Phantasmagoria and other Poems, which was first published in 1869 and has long been out of print."

Rhyme? and Reason? (1883)
--first publication of four main contents (†); illustrated by Arthur B. Frost and [The Snark by] Henry Holiday
 * (17)
 * Phantasmagoria, in Seven Cantos
 * [listed by number, name, page]


 * Echoes †
 * A Sea Dirge
 * Ye Carpette Knyghte
 * Hiawatha's Photographing
 * Melancholetta
 * A Valentine
 * The Three Voices
 * [listed by name and page]


 * Tèma con Variaziòni
 * A Game of Fives †
 * Poeta Fit, non Nascitur
 * The Hunting of the Snark, an Agony in Eight Fits
 * [listed by number, name, page]


 * Size and Tears
 * Atalanta in Camden Town
 * The Lang Coortin'
 * Four Riddles †
 * [numbered I–IV, with prose preface]


 * Fame's Penny-Trumpet †

† published for the first time here (source)

Phantasmagoria and Other Poems (1911)
--comprises all of ''Rhyme? and Reason?'' except "The Hunting of the Snark" (16 poems as counted above), including the illustrations by Frost

As the 1883 is sometimes called an edition or printing of the 1869, the 1911 is sometimes called an edition or printing of one (indeed, its title page states "First published in 1869") or the other or both. Project Gutenberg Ebook #651 is a transcript of the 1911 collection.