Talk:Phantom Rider

Query
Regarding these two sentences:
 * Magazine Enterpries' trademark on the Ghost Rider name and concept had expired by the time that Marvel had created their own version of the character. Both companies' versions of the character were created and illustrated by artist Dick Ayers.

The phrase "both companies" is used, but wasn't Magazine Enterprises the overall company of publisher Martin Goodman, of which Marvel Comics was a part? Is there a citation for the claim of copyright lapse? Roy Thomas and Gary Friedrich are credited writers on the original 1960s Western Ghost Rider series, with co-plotting by Dick Ayers in the "Marvel Method". Is there a citation for Ayers being sole creator? Thanks for any additional information and References. I'll do what I can in the meanwhile — Tenebrae 09:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've looked at the Reference section at Ghost Rider, and will import some of the citations here. I'm surprised they weren't here to begin with; that might have answered some of the queries above. - Tenebrae 09:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of huge, issue-by-issue plot details
Per WP:CMC/EG: "Summarization should never be on a per-issue basis and should only outline the plot rather than describe minor details" and "Editors should keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a repository for plot summaries, annotated or otherwise". -- Tenebrae 18:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd generally agree - but given that the West Coast Avengers story info (now deleted) involves multiple versions of this character and has a few things to say about who the Phantom Rider 'should' be, it might be worth summarising and incorporating the important bits of that. Opinions? --Mrph 19:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Film
I saw the trailer for Ghost Rider, the upcoming movie, and there is a moment where the modern Ghost Rider is riding next to another flaming character riding a nightmare. I presume that's the original Ghost Rider. How does one cite a movie trailer anyway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.138.198 (talk • contribs)

Incorrect statement
"Although never part of the modern Ghost Rider continuity in Marvel Comics, Carter Slade is depicted as a precursor to Johnny Blaze in the 2007 movie Ghost Rider."

As far as the comics go, UTTER NONSENSE. The "original Ghost Riders" had a crossover in Ghost Rider 50 in 1980. In the (translated) version I have here on my desk both heroes are even introduced as "Ghostrider". 14:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Carter Slade was not a flame-headed Ghost Rider who'd sold his soul to Satan. He was a non-supernatural Old West vigilante, unlike his depiction in the 2007 movie. And please watch your tone. We are civil here. --Tenebrae 19:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

arch-ememy
who is phantom rider's arch-enemy?


 * According to the Don Markstein's Toonpedia reference, nobody. "Like Dick Tracy, The Ghost Rider generally fought his bad guys only once"  Although this may or may not be accurate, as this source also identifies the Ghost/Phantom Rider as "Rex Fury", an entity referenced nowhere in this article, nor are any of the Wikipedia-listed alter-egos referenced in that article.76.179.230.4 (talk) 06:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rex Fury was the civilian ID of Magazine Enterprises' original Ghost Rider, the one that pre-dated Marvel's. The article needs to address that first Ghost Rider, but since that original GR was never revised as Phantom Rider, there probably needs to be an article titled "Ghost Rider (Magazine Enterprises)". I can do it it no one else wants to do it first, but I can't for a few days at least.--Tenebrae (talk) 03:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Both of the "modern" Phantom Riders - Phantom Rider (Jaime Slade) and Phantom Rider (Hamilton Slade) - amount to minor characters that can easily reside within this article. Also, neither fits the criteria generally used by the Comics Project to cleave off characters - both only operated as "Phantom Rider".

- J Greb (talk) 16:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * A minor point perhaps, but Hamilton did also apparently use the names Ghost Rider and Night Rider. He appears in the OHOTMU Deluxe Edition under the name "Ghost Rider" at a time when Johnny Blaze was a "retired" character. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 18:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I think the points brought up by 108.69.80.49 can be noted within the Hamilton Slade section of the article. MERGE. Spidey  104  19:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * True. And it is an extension of Marvel's manipulation of the character name after the introduction of Blaze. The Western character was "Ghost Rider" up until then. The name was changed after Blaze became the "first" Ghost Rider. - J Greb (talk) 20:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Speaking as a (biased) Hawkeye fan, I would like to see the Jaime Slade article stay. But I now understand that it doesn't fit the criteria required. It makes perfect sense to merge these articles. - Caged halo (talk) 16:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Without studying it in detail, the Ghost Rider article indicates the first appearance of the non-supernatural western Ghost Rider to have been in 1967. I encountered Ghost Rider as a boy, in an issue of Best of the West. That would have been some time before 1954. Btw, I have long suspected his costume was the inspiration for the first Spiderman costume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.142.29.136 (talk) 03:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

'Appearance' In Ultimates Universe
Carter Slade's spirit guns were seen in Ultimate Avengers 2 issue 3 when the Punisher tried to use them to take down Ghost Rider. Lots42 (talk) 09:04, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Magazine Enterprises' Ghost Rider
Hi all, John here. I think we need more information on the original Ghost Rider published by Magazine Enterprises more than a decade prior to Marvel's take on the character. As Don Markstein notes in Toonopedia, Marvel's version was adapted almost wholesale from the original: The most blatant of these retreads was The Ghost Rider, swiped whole-hog from a 1950s western gunfighter of that name published by Magazine Enterprises. He dressed the same, used the same gimmicks, and was even drawn by the same artist — Dick Ayers, whose spectacular rendering had made the original version perhaps the most visually striking comic book hero of the decade. We might consider adding a few more details to Rex Fury's back story, such as his first appearance as the Calico Kid, his Chinese side kick sing-song, and the events which led up to him assuming the Ghost Rider persona. I'd also like to include this Frank Frazetta cover somewhere in the article - it's an excellent rendering of the character and if I understand Wikipedia policy correctly, we should use public domain files wherever possible. Thanks for your time, hoping to read some feedback soon. CrossPlains (talk) 00:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)