Talk:Phi Kappa Phi/Archive 1

Editing of Lead
Per results of mediation, and the agreement of all parties concerned to retain the Lead paragraph as it was on 03/19/09 (after so many changes had been made and finally agreed upon), I therefore request Lhakthong to refrain from editing the lead (again) and to abide by what he wrote in the mediation page. Failure to conform to that mediation agreement will result in a report to the admin concerned and in my editing other sections of the article that I disagree with for any reason. Thanks.Angtitimo (talk) 05:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Why, aside from the first clause of the sentence, is it necessary to state "It was founded in 1897, fourth after other similar academic societies: Phi Beta Kappa for the Liberal Arts and Sciences, Tau Beta Pi for Engineering, and Sigma Xi for Scientific Research, chronologically (See also "History", below)." in the lede? This seems to me to be a detailed point better suited for the history section. On another note, threatening to report and to edit other sections of the article in retaliation is not a constructive means to collaborative editing. I edited the lede for brevity. Content was not deleted but moved to the appropriate section in the article. Such edits are unquestionably within Wikipedia editing guidelines. I think we either need to keep it as brief as possible while hitting major facts, like the "GA" class page of Beta Upsilon Chi or we need to lengthen the lead to reflect the "FL/FA" class (featured class) pages of Alpha Kappa Alpha or Alpha Phi Alpha. Obviously from my previous edit of the lede, I prefer the former. You tell me which format you like better, and them maybe we can go from there. --Lhakthong (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Translation of the Motto
The translation is literally not exact, better: "The Love of Wisdom should be the Ruler of the Mortals".90.186.17.118 (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Description of Seal
There was an edit made attempting to correct/clarify some language in the description of the Seal. I agree with the anonymous edit claiming that Troy is not considered part of Ancient Greece. However, the language in that section, as vague as it might be on the distinction, is taken directly from Phi Kappa Phi chapter sites. The purpose of the section is to explain the symbolism of the society's seal. I'm not sure who has more authority to talk about the symbolism of a society's seal than the society itself; and regardless of whether the Society is correct in its understanding (if it is even making the claimed assertion), it is cited and verifiable as the symbolism stated by the Society. If anyone has any suggestions as to how to resolve this without WP:OR, please let us know.Lhakthong (talk) 16:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Notable Members
The Notable Members list of this page has been changed quite a bit since it was edited in 2009. Specifically, the list that was taken directly from a society document has grown to include names of people that cannot be verified to be members of the Society. o, I am adding a "citations needed" tag to the Notable Members section. I will wait a bit before deleting names. The Society itself has a selected list of members here, and I hope to eventually add any missing names and cite the aforementioned source for those names. I'd like to also suggest the list not turn into a list of every single Phi Kappa Phi member person with a Wikipedia page, because then it becomes longer than the rest of the article itself, and that the Notable Members list can be a "selected" list of members referring, at least to begin with, those names on the Phi Kappa Phi site. Lhakthong (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This template may help you treat this issue fairly: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities/Archive_6. Jax MN (talk) 22:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The Notable Members section does have an editors comment at the beginning asking for citations, but it hasn't been held to, it seems. If we include all people on this page's Notable Members list that would be considered notable by virtue of having a wikipedia page, we might very well need to create a separate page for notable members. I am sure it would be long.Lhakthong (talk) 17:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)