Talk:Philadelphia Badlands

Disputed
-First, the area described in the article is much much larger than what is considered "the badlands". & they described it as Northeast Philly, whih is incorrect. It is north Philly & doesnt contain fishtown & northern liberties. Second, the reasons for the decline listed, while may be contributory, are mostly opinion based and obviously slanted politically far to the left and ignore the primary catalyst of the decline of N. Philly which were the race riots in the 70s. Also the claim that a casino being built will make the area "all the worse" is an opinion which is the subject of controversy and is not share by most people.

Basically, this article has nothing to do with the historical context of "the badlands" in Philadelphia or the true causes of economic decline. The auther used this to spread their political opinions, not historical facts. 15:53, 24 May 2007 User:209.204.118.18

This author is way off. Fishtown and Northern Liberties are almost completely gentrified and show almost no evidence of the slum states that they used to be in. Both sections of town are owned by the middle class and North Broad street is turning into the avenue of the arts north. 08:04, 5 June 2007 User:165.89.84.88

REPLY: Yes yu are correct. Fishtown & Northern liberties Are NOT part of badlands. They have been gentrified but badlands has Not. Wiki needs to re write this article correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.194.87.22 (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"Gentrified?" Fishtown is not really that gentrified. Northern Liberties, maybe, but Fishtown, no. It is still mostly a working class neighborhood. And yes, areas of Fishtown have been considered part of the Badlands. Callmarcus (talk) 04:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Also they said its a part or NorthEast Philly which is way off. Its part of NorthPhilly. West Kensington/Fairhill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.194.86.9 (talk) 13:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

LISTEN BADLANDS WAS FROM BRISTOL STREET TO SOMERSETT AND FROM GERMANTOWN AVE TO KENSINGTON AVE THAT'S ALL!!! P.S. IT STARTED AROUND GLENWOOD TO SOMERSETT WHEN GERMANTOWN AVE IS INVOVLED. TRUST ME A REAL BADLANDS RESIDENT KNOWS ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.161.235 (talk) 07:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Badland was Butler From Kensington to 12th Street now its from K&A till like 12th and Allegheny And 12th and Indiana till Kensington —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.103.18 (talk) 03:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

"Slanted far to the left?" Citing the decline of industry as a cause for an area's disintegration qualifies as extreme left-wing bias? So would saying "the institution of slavery left its mark on African Americans for years to come" be an example of extreme left-wing bias as well? ...The author cited the disappearance of heavy industry from the area as a cause of decline, not the one and only cause. It would seem you are the one with a political (and racist) axe to grind: "This article has nothing to do with the historical context of "the badlands" in Philadelphia or the true causes of economic decline" which you say are the race riots and nothing but. "The auther (sic) used this to spread their political opinions, not historical facts." Okay, so give us some historical facts then. I don't see any in what you've written. PS When was the last time you lived in Fishtown? Yes, it's mainly white and has a bunch of new loft buildings. But that doesn't make it "middle class" or, for that matter, safe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.59.114.59 (talk) 14:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Merger
I am not convinced this article should exist on its own. First of all, this is commonly acknowledged to be an offensive name. The Philadelphia Inquirer, the largest Philadelphia-based newspaper, used the term in the past, but its style guide now says: "Although the word has become media shorthand for the Fairhill and West Kensington neighborhoods of North Philadelphia, it is seen as pejorative and condemnatory by many people who live in those areas and work toward their rebirth. It may be used in quotations but is to be avoided otherwise."

This article perhaps shows why that name is offensive: other articles on Philadelphia neighborhoods include sections like "History", "Government", and "Education" (see, for example: Kensington, Philadelphia). This article is essentially only on the drug market, and the information it provides (including information on the Irish gang association) overlaps with information already stated in Fairhill, Philadelphia, which is how Al Jazeera referred to the area in which the largest East Coast open-air drug market existed when they ran an article on the subject in 2016. When major news sources run articles on that drug market, they only refer to it as "the badlands" in passing. Why is it that a few references to an ill-defined area warrants an entire article, particularly in light of the recognized offensiveness of the term?--2603:7000:3E40:83D7:B42C:6215:99A3:508C (talk) 06:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Agreed that this article does not stand on its own. Most of the content on this page seems to describe Fairhill, so I'd be comfortable merging that content into the Fairhill page. However, I would note that I've typically heard 'Badlands' used to describe Kensington rather than Fairhill, particularly the northeastern 'New Kensington' part of that neighborhood beginning past the Lehigh Av railroad tracks.  Dotdh15 (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 11:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)