Talk:Philip Cary (MP for Woodstock)

Requested move 22 August 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved all three per nom. No such user (talk) 09:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

– Absence of obvious WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, with that position occupied by a minor stub. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:57, 22 August 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TheSandDoctor (talk) 02:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Philip Cary → Philip Cary (MP, died 1631) /alternative qualifier: (MP, Woodcock)/
 * Philip Cary (disambiguation) → Philip Cary
 * Philip Cary (died 1437) → Philip Cary (MP, died 1437) /alternative qualifier: (MP, Devon)/
 * Can I suggest we keep it simple by limiting it just to (died yyyy). That is enough to disambiguate. If more attributes are added it makes it more difficult to reference (short term memory). At the moment I am having to cut and paste hundreds of links because they are not easily memorable. Cheers Motmit - sorry having problems typing tildas —Preceding undated comment added by Motmit (talk • contribs) 19:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support both suffixed "(died YYYY)", simple and sufficient disambiguation, and consistent. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

SmokeyJoe approached me on my talk for closing the discussion against the preference of two respondents. First, I must confess of carelessly reading the discussion – I saw "Support both" in his vote as and the rest of the sentence escaped me; I focused on the necessity to untangle the links and the dab page post-move. That being said, I've never seen that we disambiguate people only by year of birth/death. The relevant convention is WP:NCPDAB, which pretty clearly addresses the matter: Years of birth and death are not normally used as disambiguators (readers are more likely to be seeking this information than to already know it) although this may be necessary when there are multiple people with the same name and tag. Where the disambiguation can't be resolved in a straightforward manner by such more specific qualifiers, e.g. for the two poker players called David Baker, date of birth can be added in this format: Name (qualifier, born YYYY). A comma should be used, and "born" should not be abbreviated to "b.", so: David Baker (poker player, born 1972) and David Baker (poker player, born 1986). So, it appears that I was right, if for a wrong reason. If you insist, I will reopen the discussion though. No such user (talk) 12:55, 20 September 2017 (UTC)