Talk:Philip H. Frohman

Expansion of Stub
http://www.trincoll.edu/StudentLife/ReligiousSpiritual/Chapel/ and http://www.ctheritage.org/directoryDetail.asp?siteID=9764 and neither make this observation. --Tomaterols (talk) 15:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the stub into an article by adding 15 paragraphs of information, with references, and an external links section.
 * I have removed the statement that "The chapel at Trinity College, completed in 1932, bears a great resemblance to the National Cathedral" because it is not referenced (except to an unreferenced Wikipedia article). I have checked both
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Cathedral in Los Angeles
Both the New York Times and the Washington Post obituaries for Frohman state that he designed the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Los Angeles. This appears impossible, since the old L.A. cathedral evidently was built before he was born. Endangered Places: Cathedral of St. Vibiana (Los Angleles built a new Catholic cathedral in the 1990s.)

Additionally, Richard Feller, Frohman's successor, specifically notes that he designed two other cathedrals, one in Baltimore which is mentioned in the obits. The other, however, is in Orlando, Fl., which is not mentioned in the obits, but is definitely Frohman designed. See St Luke's Cathedral, Orlando, History.

The reference to the Catholic cathedral in Los Angeles in the two obituaries must be in error, an illustration of how even reliable sources can be wrong.

--Tomaterols (talk) 14:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Throop Whatever!
There is confusion in the several sources regarding the name of the school(s) Frohman attended. There is general agreement that he received his university degree from the school now known as Caltech.

According to the Washington Post obituary: “At an early age, [Frohman] attended the Throop Institute of Technology and graduated in 1907 from the Throop College of Engineering, now the California Institute of Technology.” The problem with this is that, according to the Wikipedia article, California Institute of Technology, Caltech had several previous names but “Throop College of Engineering” was not one of them. According to the article: “The school was known successively as Throop University, Throop Polytechnic Institute, and Throop College of Technology, before acquiring its current name in 1921.”

Harrington states: “When he turned eleven, he persuaded his parents to enroll him in Throop Polytechnic Institute. . . . Going on from Throop to study architecture at the California Institute of Technology, he opened his first office at the age of twenty-one.” (p. 11) But according to the Wikipedia article, “the preparatory program was split off into an independent Polytechnic School in 1910,” some three years after Frohman received his university degree.

Perhaps in an effort to sidestep the university name-change issue Feller (1979) simply states: “Little wonder that, after studying at the California Institute of Technology, he became the youngest person ever to pass. the state architectural exam.” (p.23)

Given these discrepancies and the fact that the dearth of published sources on Frohman makes it unlikely they can ever be resolved (absent original research), I have just referred to the preparatory school as “Throop Institute” and the undergraduate school as Caltech. --Tomaterols (talk) 18:59, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I came across the 1905–1906 Caltech Catalog, which lists Frohman as a student in the "Academy", which seems to be the secondary school that was later spun off as Polytechnic School, while the college evolved into Caltech. He would have been 18 at that time, supporting that he attended for secondary school.  He's also in the 1899–1900 Catalog which places him in the grammar school.  I don't see his name in any of the subsequent catalogs, so perhaps he did not attend for college.  If he graduated from secondary school in mid-1907, and opened an architectural firm the following year at the age of 21, which would have been in November or December 1908, it's possible that he did not attend college at all.  Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:35, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Tinkering and Suggestions
I came across this article after seeing the conversation between User:Tomaterols and User:Wwwwolf and thought I'd lend a hand. I've added 3 images of Frohman buildings and a picture of his Papal Medal (although I'm not sure it fits and won't cry if it goes!) as it's always a shame to find an architect's page with no pictures of their buildings on. It's a shame there's not a picture of the man himself. Tomaterole, did I read that you're in some way involved with the National Cathedral? Would you have a picture you can upload?

Also, although not an expert on this, I would expect his middle name to be spelt out at the beginning. The only place Hubert occurs in the article is with his mother's maiden name and then in the copious footnotes. It's probably not necessary to show the link between his middle name and his mother's maiden name but it would still be good to have it spelt out in the article and not just in the very comprehensive footnotes. I might be WP:BOLD after I've written this and change it.

Finally, I can infer from the article and the names of the French ancestors that they are on the maternal side, but if this is the case it would be good to say so! Bigger digger (talk) 16:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

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