Talk:Philip J. Corso/Archive 1

Critic
Now this needs a thorough cleanup and an NPOV approach. It seems that the original author aims to persuade readers about Corso's truth. Miskatonic University 01:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Looking good!
Thanks Nima for all your contributions to this article. It is really looking good! Dwain 23:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * hehe, welcome (:O) -nima baghaei 04:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Howdy Y'all
I'm new-ish to Wiki, but I love Corso and I am a tireless researcher ;O). So I made some hamfisted changes. I felt it was important to add more details about his life. He accomplished quite a few other things besides aliens.  I also added his own words, which you might delete, but I thought I'd try.  I mean the guy did a lot of things with his life and he's dead now.  Can't we give him more than, "he wrote about aliens, and people are doubtful."

Tanks :)

The problem with reinventing yourself is that if you succeed you will never notice. 07:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow great job, thanks! (:O) -nima baghaei 14:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Paranormal Researcher?
Howdy Ya'll,

Why is there a "Paranormal Researcher" tag above this guys name/picture? I realize that that is what he is somewhat famous for, but it does not correctly describe him. He was a career soldier. He did not "research the paranormal" at all. He wrote a book about his experiences in the government. In his later life he attended UFO conferences to publisize his book, but he was _not_ a "paranormal researcher." I find it vaguely offensive that he is portrayed so. Like writing a book about aliens invalidates his entire life? Let me know what you think...

<3

The problem with reinventing yourself is that if you succeed you will never notice. 17:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That is just what all the Ufologist are being placed under, its just a standard being applied to all the Ufologist. -nima baghaei 17:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey actually, if you can find an infobox related to military or army, that we can use for him instead of paranormal, that would be great! (:O) -nima baghaei 17:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have updated the infobox to an army infobox (:O) -nima baghaei 22:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The 'paranormal researcher' tag is highly subjective to classify ufology with. Based on:

- the testimonies from normal people from within amongst others the military

- numerous scientific/governmental studies of ufos

- daily sightings of intelligently controlled arial vehicles, reported in mainstream media channels, etc...

ufology lies out of the scope of the paranormal field.

Classifying encyclopedic subjects, furthermore, maybe isn't such a good idea (where can we address this classification issue?). This article on colonel Philip J. Corso gives a good example of why such a classification can severely influence objectivity. DeltaT, 00:15, 10 February 2007 (CET)
 * I have found no reference to 'ufologists' being standardly classified as paranormal researchers on Wikipedia's featured topics or portals[]. Nima baghaei, please refer to your source for stating otherwise? Philip J. Corso is no ufologist or even less a paranormal researcher. He is simply what he is, the article should not interpret or classify him. DeltaT, 00:30, 10 February 2007 (CET)


 * Delta its not official, I was just working with what i was seeing (:O), thanks for clearing things up for us though (:O) -nima baghaei
 * Actually I would find it really nice if we could create a Ufologist infobox instead of depending on Paranormal (:O), sorry for any trouble I may have caused -nima baghaei 01:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Nina ;) Thanks for all of the work you have done.  I think it's rad that is started out as a paranormal thang, and understandable.  His UFO work _is_ very important, but in order to give it the weight that it deserves I think we should treat him like any other soldier, first.  Actually, this is a super cool project.  Once we have all his official military data up we can cross-reference it with the dates given in his book to see if they match-up or conflict.  There are all sorts of possibilities for this guy.  Viva El Lt. Col.! Anyways, keep up the good work,  we make a good team.  <3 Captain Barrett 01:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * OoooK. I think I understand what you're getting at Delta T.  For ideal NPOV would be not to have any subject box at all.  Just him and his life.  I like it.  What does everyone else think about redesigning the page to have no subject box, after we have more data on the lt. col.? <3 Captain Barrett 05:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree, his new infobox is fine, he is a military service man, and this provides a lot of useful data, it provides quick access to useful information on him summed up nicely and compactly (other military officers have this same infbox to) -nima baghaei 16:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's cool for now, but if we one day hope to get the Lt. Col. rated a class A page, we may have to change the format eventually. <3 Captain Barrett 16:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, it's a good thing the 'paranormal researcher'-tag is removed. It really did mr. Corso great dishonor.

Secondly: personally, I think the infobox could be a) diverting attention from the article, b) isn't offering any info that can't be treated in the article (eg. in a short introductory summary), but c) as I see it's horizontally applied to all military personnel, it's a nice touch.

Thirdly, I think the featured picture is not representative for the lieutenant colonel. It's probably a better idea to show him in millitary uniform -- after all, the article deals mainly with his career and not with his retirement. I suggest this photo instead. Agreement?DeltaT 00:00, 11 February 2007 (CET)


 * I agree totally about the photo (see entire discussion thread), Delta's is much better. Although I do not know what the copyright status of the photo is.  I know it was published in his book, so the rights may be held by the publisher.  Until we find out the status of the pictures rights (or get permission) we can't post it.  I also agree about just having a straight forward page for Corso, but it is confusing that there is a definite "Military" box.  It seems totally up to subjective choice of wiki entry whether this box is used or not.  For the moment, the majority of our information of Corso is military, so it should stay.  But as our database grows it will become possible to phase it out. <3 Captain Barrett 23:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That picture is nice, if you want re-upload it using the same name of the previous picture currently being used (i uploaded that one) it is ok with me, i don't mind if the old picture is replaced -nima baghaei 14:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Replaced the old picture with this one [], including a fair use notice. Nice talking to you two! DeltaT 17:00, 12 February 2007 (CET)

Corso, General MacArthur, and Intelligence
Corso and General MacArthur worked together during the Korean war. Corso's MOS was intelligence. This is an important detail in his life. It shows his character and strengthens the connection between his military career and his later work... can we put that detail back in? Captain Barrett 18:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It has been fixed (:O) -nima baghaei 21:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * WoW!. I love Wiki.  Thanx <3 Captain Barrett 21:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just added General MacArthur back at the top <3 Captain Barrett 22:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

what Wars did he serve in?

 * hey what wars did he serve in? i know the Korean war, anything else? -nima baghaei 22:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * This is more than you asked for, but here ya go...

1.LTC Corso was a commissioned in the Artillery and the Artillery was his control branch during his career.

2.He was a reserve officer.

3.He served 21 years in the Army. 23 Feb 42-1 Mar 63.

4.He has credit for 4 overseas tours. European theater 13 Apr 43- 22 Mar 46 Mediterranean theater 24 May 46-22 Mar 47 Far East Command 1 Sep 50-2 Jun 53 US Army, Europe 19 Oct 57-13 Sep 60

5.He was granted a General Staff Identifier on 1 Jun 62.

6.He was promoted to Lt.Col. in AUS on 30 July 53 and in USAR 21 May 1957.

7.He had a long list of Military Occupational Specialties most involved with Intelligence and Air Defense Artillery.

8.He had a command as a Battalion Commander of Air Defense Battalion in Europe.

9.Civilian Education includes 2 years of college. He had two Intel Courses and three Artillery Courses.

10.He was awarded the Legion of Merit and other commendations. He has a number of campaign ribbons for service during WW II and the Korean War.

11.He has no credit for campaigns in Korea.

12.He was detailed away from his career main branch five times comprising a significant part of his career.

13. He was assigned to Fort Riley, Kansas from 21 April 1947 - 12 May 1950.

14. He was assigned to GHQ, Far East Command on 11 Sep 50 to 1 Jan 53, as Intel Staff Officer, Plans & Estimate Branch, Theater Intelligence Div, G-2.

15.From 1 Jan 53 to 2 Jun 53 he was assigned as Chief Special Project Branch, G-2 Section of the HQ, AFFE, 8000th AU (I do not know what these designations mean.)

16.From 15 Jul 53 to 20 Oct 56 he served in various Intel positions in Washington, DC included a short temporary duty to the Psychological Strategy Board (PSB) at the State Department. He had various other assignments until 1961. The most important to his career was as Battalion Commander from 1957 to 1958.

17.On June 20th, 1961 he was assigned to the Foreign Technology Division (FTD) as a Staff officer. He stayed at that assignment until 18 July 1962, when he was assigned as Staff Officer in the Plans Div, OCRD, Washington, DC.

18.During his FTD assignment, he was chief from 18 April - 18 Jul 1962. Of this 90 day assignment, which qualified him for a official rating report as chief, he was absent for 15 of those days.

<3 Captain Barrett 22:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * wow... (:O) -nima baghaei 22:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Photo
What does everyone think about getting the Lt. Col. a better photo? His glasses are falling off and he looks a little out-of it... <3 Captain Barrett 23:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If you can find a good one, especially an official picture taken by the military, that would be awesome. -nima baghaei 23:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Picture is now replaced (see discussion on paranormal researcher-tag). DeltaT 01:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Childhood, Education, and Adolescence

 * Does anyone have any information we can put on him from his Childhood, Education, and Adolescence? -nima baghaei 00:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

*Good idea. It would be great to get better organizing of his life. Like having a "military career" section and a "family section" with his youth and whatnot...<3 Captain Barrett 02:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

References and Citations
From References: "The Lighthouse Report. Retrieved on 2007-02-10." -- Although interesting, this link does not cite any verifiable sources and should be moved to external sources ( I would do it myself, but for some reason nothing is coming up when I click references).<3 Captain Barrett 02:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It provides reference or citation that he worked for the senator as an aide, people can get picky about these things if we forget to cite them hehe (:O) -nima baghaei 02:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * its one of the beauties of Wiki as I am coming to understand it (despite the past 24 hours I'm still new) ;). Because News can contain Propaganda and Propaganda can contain news, it is vital to only have completely verifiable references under the reference section.  The Lighthouse references his military career, true, but it does not reference where it got that information (or others).


 * yup your right, but we need to reference something to show we didnt make up the information -nima baghaei 03:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * well i removed that reference, the site didn't seem credible at all, do you happen to know of any credible site that we can reference? -nima baghaei 03:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox size
The infobox size containing Corso's picture is very large, making the text to its left unattractive to readers. Captain Barret, Nima, how could we make it narrower? DeltaT 01:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I shrunk, you just gotta change the px size (pixel size) -nima baghaei 14:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you change the infobox size or the picture size? It's the infobox that may be too wide, but I've no idea where to edit it.DeltaT 18:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh!! Template:Infobox_Military_Person ... there yah go, thats what you gotta edit! (:O) -nima baghaei 18:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Contents

 * I merged the Biography and Family contents into one biographical article. The chronology is better structured now. I also omitted the Michael Hesemann interview quote because I think it's not important enough to include in an encyclopedia item. DeltaT 19:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed this part In a review published in Skeptical Inquirer, aerospace engineer and UFO researcher Brad Sparks writes: The only thing extraterrestrial in Philip Corso's book The Day After Roswell is the height of his tall tales, certainly the tallest Roswell tales to date ... The dramatic stories that are easiest to check against historical fact are enough proof of the lack of credibility of Corso's whole thesis.

because it is irrelevant to the article. A bio should not include external opinions on the person, except if the person himself has an unclear background. The subject's life and work stand as such. Criticism may be included in an external link. DeltaT 13:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)