Talk:Philippine electoral crisis, 2005

Started the article, its a big issue now, though the international media are not yet reporting about it. Also, I tried to make it NPOV as much as possible, even though Arroyo has not formally denied the accusations. This will have a better NPOV as the event develops, especially if she defends herself. --Noypi380 15:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, data bout the Supreme Court is lacking, and I think data bout them are necessary as early as now. --Noypi380 16:39, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A brief background of the players involved would also be ideal - Dryermaker

I agree, although the background data of the players should be in separate articles. It would really be nice to have more info about Virgilio Garcillano. Also, I like the new image of Arroyo that was added, for it shows a human face of the story. Anyone with images of Ong and Garcillano? --Noypi380 29 June 2005 14:19 (UTC)

Fixed some broken links, and some updates. --Noypi380 1 July 2005 14:15 (UTC)

Merged Gloriagate and this article...--Noypi380 5 July 2005 05:34 (UTC)

The Arroyo speech that formerly was in gloriagate is now found in this link, speech. There is a policy that such things are to be placed in sister project and not here. Also, anyone with pics of Garcillano? --Noypi380 5 July 2005 05:46 (UTC)

Also, I fixed the July 4 portion, to make it more comprehensive. Hope its ok. --Noypi380 5 July 2005 06:26 (UTC)

I am sorry for my bad editing in the July 4 portion. But as a Lasallian, I did not like what Bro. Armin did. --Tabris 5 July 2005 22:36 (UTC)

Okay, no problem. Let's just have some fun updating this article, particularly the events history portion. This crisis is developing and it would be encouraged if we be comprehensive and if we do not consume too much space. Also, if anyone would want to translate this article to various native Filipino languages and/or dialects, pls visit Cebuano or Tagalog. Cheers!--Noypi380 6 July 2005 03:08 (UTC)

Removed the ABS-CBN and GMA-7 link descriptions such as the #1 TV network etc., that looks uneyclopedic. --Circa 1900 11:42, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Jueteng

 * The President’s husband, Juan Miguel Arroyo, left for San Francisco, for voluntary exile to help ease political tensions fueled by the jueteng and wiretapping allegations.

The article doesn't mention the jueteng scandal or the first gentleman except for this line. That part should be clarified. Or maybe that belongs in another article... not sure, I haven't been following that part anymore. :p Good job, Noypi, with keeping this article updated and neutral! TheCoffee 07:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, ok, I'll try to see how to clarify that issue, and how to write it. I believe though that jueteng is a separate issue, mostly about her family, and not really about her. This specific issue though is big on its own, because it is not only about a person (like older issues), but the entire electoral system, which includes candidates, comelec, the watchdogs, and especially the voters. And, thanks for your comment on neutrality. Its easier to keep an article neutral when it is neutral from the very beginning. Finally, thanks to all the other contributors, for all the new info and being equally neutral, especially with all the propaganda wars going on. The crisis is not yet over though, and there is still much work to be done. :) --Noypi380 05:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I guess after the fork, that issue won't be a problem anymore. Jueteng scandal really is definitely a separate issue. --Noypi380 14:20, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion
Additionally, I suggest that "Arroyo", "Estrada", "Ramos, or "Aquino" be used rather than using "President" as the noun, or the modifier. There are already so many descriptions of the people, and links to the president article, that it may become unnecessary already. Just a suggestion :) --Noypi380 16:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Correction

 * Hey, regarding the Tuesday, June 8 part, there is a mistake. Its either the 7th on Tuesday, or the 8th on Wednesday. Which one? That has to be corrected. --Noypi380 09:25, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Make sub-articles
Hi Noypi380, this article is getting bigger and bigger everyday. I suggest that we should create sub-articles for each section of this article for easy navigation and fast page download. What do you think? --Jojit fb 02:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, I agree. How do you suggest we go about it? --Noypi380 10:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Forked out the events history into this article. You're right, the page load time improved, at least with me. --Noypi380 12:19, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup, the page load is faster with me now. Thanks Noypi, keep it up! --Jojit fb 03:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Reminders
If anyone would like to add info regarding recent events, or the actions of protesters, politicians, parties, influential bodies, famous personalities, etc, pls add those to the new dedicated article History of the 2005 Philippine electoral crisis instead. Thanks. :) --Noypi380 14:12, 16 July 2005 (UTC)