Talk:Phonogram (linguistics)

This stub should be expanded with Orton's use of the term.
I'll probably do the expansion soon. Orton used the term "phonogram" slightly differently from the definition now in the article text. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 12:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like the editing over the last few years has improved this article, although it is still very short. It's still on my watchlist. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:21, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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I'm doing some research on phonogram and would like to help update/expand this article, but first would like others to confirm my thoughts. Orton's definition seems to focus on multi-character phonogram. However, there are references - such as Random House, Collins unabridged, and Stedman's Medical dictionaries - that also include the use of a single character to represent a syllable of a larger word. I encountered this type of phonogram in a children's book, C D B, by William Steig. He used the same implementation in a sequel, C D C, In C D B, for example, he created sentences: "C D B? D B S A B-Z. O, S N-D." which reads, "See the bee? The bee is a busy bee. Oh, yes indeed.". I don't know kanji well enough to say whether this is the same usage; that is, do kanji characters have a single sound that can also be a syllable of a larger word, or a word by itself, as the letters in Steig's published works? BethCarter (talk) 01:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC) BethCarter (talk) 01:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Sloppy and vague
This article needs editing by someone who understands the semantics of singular and plural. If "a phonogram" is "a grapheme" then it is, (using English as an example), a character (singular). See Wikipedia's definition of "grapheme". I have no trouble believing that a phonogram can be one or can be two or more graphemes, rather than "a grapheme". I'm not knowledgeable enough about the languages of the world, but I suspect some languages' written representation explicitly use non-sequential symbols to change the pronounciation represented by a glyph, and hence, it would seem to me, that a "phonogram" constitutes the entire written representation of a phoneme, which may or may not consist of a contiguous sequence of glyphs. fwiwAbitslow (talk) 17:13, 12 March 2016 (UTC)