Talk:Phossy jaw

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I highly doubt that anyone would find either the description here or the photo disturbing or graphic. If no one objects, I will remove these warnings soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darrien (talk • contribs) 03:00, 26 March 2004 (UTC)


 * Now edited -- Anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.158.210.26 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 26 March 2004 (UTC)

ummm - what?
"certain high levels of ass fluids could compensate for all the symptoms." I am not familiar with wikipedia, but surely this is nonsense? Perhaps it could be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.10.219.37 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

What about the strike?
Surely the main reason for the safety precautions taken against phossy jaw was the strike by the girls at Bryant and May. This was very brave of them at the time and their bravery should be acknowledged.

Lordoncall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.147.145 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Truly!!! The strike is important in connection with ..

.. women's movement (pre-Suffragettes)

.. labor movement (early British)

.. general (rather than skilled) unionism

.. Annie Besant

.. Workmen's Compensation / occupational health / workplace safety / Health & Safety

- 2.30.254.6 (talk) 14:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

More information needed
It would be great to know more about how white phosphorus causes this condition and why red phosphorus does not. FairUse (talk) 21:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Recent experience with bisphosphonates may mean this has been studied? 2.30.254.6 (talk) 14:47, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Also on mechanisms / pathways: long ago (1970s?!?) I read that the route of entry to the body was via dental injuries (caries etc). It might be worth stating that that's no longer thought to be the case - that it's now understood to be a systemic rather than topical mode-of-action. (Assuming that is so! - evidence, anybody?) 2.30.254.6 (talk) 14:47, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

External link.
The external link seems to point to a site that just delivers a snarky 403 error. I'm hesitant to remove it in case it's only down temporarily, and I don't know enough about the subject to find another reliable site. Perhaps someone with more information than me could replace it if it doesn't come back up? 210.48.82.62 (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Comments
I'm new to this (Wiki) but may I add that the match girls in London, aged only in their late teens when they died, were known as "Bryant & May's chuckaways." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toneharris (talk • contribs) 19:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Mentions in literature
From Chekhov's 'The Steppe' Vassya explains his jaw thusly:

"It's bad.... I used to work at the match factory, little sir....  The doctor used to say that it would make my jaw rot.  The air is not healthy there.  There were three chaps beside me who had their jaws swollen, and with one of them it rotted away altogether."

In Stegner's book about Joe Hill a bomb-making character suffered from phossy jaw and said so.

Are these appropriate additions? RussellBell (talk) 05:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Mechanism of brain damage?
Is the substance directly neuro-toxic or is the death of brain cells caused by the same circulatory problems that affect the jaw?--Jrm2007 (talk) 03:59, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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Clinical course / mortality
The text as it stands seems to say that death is always the outcome - but 20% of cases seems right. That %age is stated in a reference I've found by chance, mentioning "osteonecrosis produc[ing] pain, swelling, debilitation, and a reported mortality of 20%": [ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18940506 ] .. I think it's an abstract of    [ J Oral Maxillofac Surg. 2008 Nov;66(11):2356-63. doi: 10.1016/j.joms.2007.11.006. ] - probably pretty reliable!

- 2.30.254.6 (talk) 14:01, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments
Tricky point to find a reference for .. Binging about a bit I'm finding evidence that the term was / is used for the matches themselves; it's hard to doubt that polemical writing re the strike will have bigged up sometimes on the irony of the shortened lives of the workers producing them; but evidence is obviously needed (especially if usage ever became wider). 2.30.254.6 (talk) 14:51, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Russia is not considered in Asia
Russia as country belongs both to Europe and Asia, but the ruling and most populous part is in Europa and therefor it should be considered as a mainly European country.

Wrong photograph!
This is NOT a photograph of a 'worker with phossy jaw', it is in fact a photograph of the golfer Eben Byers, who spent three years drinking radium water which caused his jaw to fall off (the photo illustrates the artificial jaw that surgeons made for him). Unfortunately this glaring error has proliferated all around the Internet, being incorrectly posted on many sites (even medical ones). I know that if I delete the link to the photograph, I'll have Wikipedia 'regulars' jumping on me - so what's the best thing to do? (The picture is so old, that I'm not sure if we can now find cast-iron provenance for it - but I can always try? But it really needs to be removed asap - there are other phossy jaw photos out there that could be used.) Jaycey (talk) 09:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes the same photograph is showing up for Eben Byers who did not suffer from phossy jaw but radiation. This should be clarified. -- Buckiboy (talk) 12:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)