Talk:Photogram

I have an ambition to put this article on the main page. Just thought I'd say that. Cormaggio @ 22:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Example: X-ray
I would consider x-ray photography an excellent example of "photogrammy", where the spatial distribution of the light source is minimized to maximize the sharpness of the shadows. Couldn't this be mentioned? Mumiemonstret (talk) 17:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Help
If you want to help in writing this page, please do. Another thing I would dearly love to have here is an image, or series of images (diagrams or photographs) of how this process works, ie a labelled image of an enlarger, then maybe with an image of the objects being laid out on the paper and then the finished product (photogram). Cormaggio @ 19:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Thought
This page would be aided by linking to the page about photographic enlargers, but it is the job of that page to diagram the enlarger and this to diagram the process. One needs to remember a room lamp or the sun is adequate to produce a photogram, an enlarger is overkill for a photogram and limits the final product. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.236.146 (talk) 23:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Lemons photogram
Strictly speaking this a monochrome image I don't think it was made with color film or paper. Ericd 22:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I also think that there was some chemical reaction between citric acid and photographic paper that explain the white areas in the background. Ericd 22:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Photograpers...
Does this list really need to be here? It seems to have become a magnet for wannabe 'artists' to crow-bar their names in. I plan to delete this list and incorporate the notable names (Man Ray, Moholy-Nagy etc.) into the main text. For now, i'm removing the non-notables - those without Wikipedia articles - from the list. Comments? Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, will continue to assist in policing removal of entries that are not linked to a Wikipedia article, or it will indeed become a dog's breakfast! Jamesmcardle(talk) 13:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


 * , you've been adding to the list very recently, but none of your additions is referenced. Why not reference the additions, and, eventually, end up with a list that's entirely referenced? For inspiration, see List of street photographers. (If the answer is, "because each claim that a photographer/artist was a photogrammist is referenced in that person's bio", then fine, once the veracity of that reference has been checked, it can be copied and pasted into this list.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Shall do. Jamesmcardle(talk) 01:07, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Jamesmcardle(talk) 12:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Removed text
I removed the following text from this article as I don't believe it's relevant to the subject, which is 'Photograms' and not 'Cameraless Photography, which overlaps but is mostly an entirely different thing. It's also totally unreferenced.

"Cameraless photography An image of leaves created with a scanner

There exist a large range of techniques to produce photographic images (i.e. involving light) without using a camera, including the usage of scanners and photocopying machines - and this is not even including printing processes like modern lithography or photogravure. Experimentation with such techniques has become popular since the 1960s, when artists like Robert Rauschenberg started to push the boundaries of the photographic image-making process. Even other adaptations of photograms have been experimented with, such as those using birefringence, a process whereby polarized light is used instead of normal light to create an interference pattern of crystals or plastic objects, creating colourful, abstract pictures. Photobatik is one of Photogram techniques produced by a Japanese artist Yoshio Machida. The Photobatik image is produced with only source of light and print-developing chemicals, without cameras and objects.[citation needed]" Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

What the term means
We're told:


 * A photogram is a photographic image made without a camera by placing objects directly onto the surface of a light-sensitive material such as photographic paper and then exposing it to light.

I don't want to argue with this; but just a little googling suffices to show that, like it or not, the term is also used with a much wider reference. And therefore, very tentatively:


 * (The term is also used for a wider range of images made without a camera; see luminogram for ABC, xerox art for XYZ, something else for IJK.)

But my knowledge of the area isn't sufficient to encourage me to tinker. -- Hoary (talk) 02:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)